Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-18 Thread Brad De Long
>Brad, > > >I also noticed that the bill was concerned about the elimination of >corruption. What is the record of United States regarding corruption? >Our political campaigns are nothing more than organized bribery. Is it >possible for a non-corrupt politicians to get elected to anything higher

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons(fwd)

2000-05-16 Thread Doug Henwood
Rob Schaap wrote: >Two men expressing affection in a homophobic world may do so by hugging >each other, but only if they bring their forearms hard against each others' >backs, preferably bruising some ribs, and then, for but a moment, making >sure to hug hard enough to induce pain. This is a ver

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Mine, Two men expressing affection in a homophobic world may do so by hugging each other, but only if they bring their forearms hard against each others' backs, preferably bruising some ribs, and then, for but a moment, making sure to hug hard enough to induce pain. This is a very poignant

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread md7148
what is this "manly cyber-hug"? (smile!) Mine >Please find attached one manly cyber-hug, Justin..

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Rob Schaap
Please find attached one manly cyber-hug, Justin! Well-spoken, comrade! If, as Frost said, 'poetry is what gets left out in translation' (though I'm convinced Dryden managed to keep plenty of Chaucer in), 'tis even the translation that's left out in the postie critique, where the heroic couplet

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Michael Perelman wrote: > Carrol, we have no need to get nasty here. > > Carrol Cox wrote: > > > Lou, this is either pure academic bullshit or it is the kind of red-baiting I > > have been fighting against over on lbo. > Lou and I always forgive each other. Carrol

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 00-05-15 18:09:36 EDT, you write: << A friend of mine from grad school, Donna Landry (co-editor of The Spivak Reader), has been studying peasant and working class women poets of the 17th & 18th centuries. I asked her if she likes reading the stuff, which from what I've se

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Michael Perelman
Carrol, we have no need to get nasty here. Carrol Cox wrote: > Lou, this is either pure academic bullshit or it is the kind of red-baiting I > have been fighting against over on lbo. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: > >This seems correct -- but it also seems to indicate the irrelevance or > >even obscurantist nature of long arguments about whether some other > >people are/were happier in Situation A rather than Situation B. > > > >Carrol > > You don't seem to get it. This is not about

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread JKSCHW
The edition of the Oxford Anthology I have at work is dated 1935. Maybe they dumped the folk poetry and ballads by the 70s, and reinstated them later? --jks In a message dated Mon, 15 May 2000 4:10:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrot

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Doug Henwood
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >And this from a former lit grad student! I think they need less >Theory and more literature in those classes. My old Oxford Anthology >of English poetry has not insubstantial chunks of material that we >would call folk poetry, medieval and Renaissance, not all of it i

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated Mon, 15 May 2000 3:07:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Doug Henwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: << Charles Brown wrote: >Even if the olden days were not the good olden days, this literature >may reflect the enormous pain suffered by the English peasants who >were brutalized in

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-15 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/13/00 11:19PM >>> I wrote: > [*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the > USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial" > corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great > Leade

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-14 Thread Michael Perelman
Brad, Thank you very much the for sending the summary of the bill. I only skimmed through it briefly. I know that Carl Linder with got some provisions put in the bill that makes the retaliation against Europe stronger regarding his banana interests. I also noticed that the bill was concerned a

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-14 Thread Brad De Long
Title: Re: [PEN-L:18928] Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd) How much of the legislation relates to tariffs? Brad De Long wrote: > > And this is supposed to be an argument that U.S. restrictions on > imports of African textiles are for Africans' own good? > -- Michael Perelman

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2000-05-14 Thread M A Jones
Franz Neumann, Behemoth Alfred Soh-Rethel: Class Structure of German Fascism ostensibly both about Germany in the 1930s, actually about planning in conditoons of autarky/containment on the basis of fordist inddustry. Mark Jones http://www.egroups.com/group/CrashList - Original Message - F

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Michael Perelman
How much of the legislation relates to tariffs? Brad De Long wrote: > > And this is supposed to be an argument that U.S. restrictions on > imports of African textiles are for Africans' own good? > -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: > [*] Has anyone ever noticed the similarity between the development of the > USSR and that of the Ford Motor Company (or similar "entrepreneurial" > corporations)? It starts with the radical idiosyncrasies of the Great > Leader (Stalin, Henry Ford, Sr.), who is then replaced by namel

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Jim Devine
> > moreover, how would US develop its own capitalism without slave labor ( > > especially agricultural production in the South)? > >Ah, but Marx would insist on the relative antagonisms between rival modes >of production: it's not that capitalism is identical to slavery, rather >you had a slav

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread JKSCHW
In a message dated 00-05-13 17:05:51 EDT, you write: << Either that or people actually *liked* having their teeth fall out... Brad DeLong >> Hey, Brad, revealed preferences, right? --jks

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:35 PM 05/13/2000 -0400, you wrote: >My understand of the shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture is that >nutritional standards did decline, but so did the risk of starvation. >Agricultural >output was less uncertain. Maybe, but it's not unmixed progress. It's more a matter of a tr

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Brad De Long
>On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote: > >> very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The >> Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked >> half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise of the >> industrial revolution. That i

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Rod Hay
My understand of the shift from hunting and gathering to agriculture is that nutritional standards did decline, but so did the risk of starvation. Agricultural output was less uncertain. Rod Jim Devine wrote: > At 02:33 AM 05/13/2000 -0700, you wrote: > >On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Jim Devine
At 02:33 AM 05/13/2000 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote: > > > very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The > > Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked > > half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise

Re: Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Michael Perelman
Does this mean that peasant societies were inefficient or that a large portion of the output was siphoned all by landlords and userers? Dennis R Redmond wrote: > > > But didn't this have to do with limited food sources and chronic disease > and malnutrition? Peasant societies couldn't sustain ye

Re: Re: Re: Sowing Dragons (fwd)

2000-05-13 Thread Dennis R Redmond
On Fri, 12 May 2000, Louis Proyect wrote: > very often of a seasonal nature. If you read Juliette Schor's "The > Overworked American", you will discover that the average peasant worked > half as many hours as the average proletarian during the rise of the > industrial revolution. That is the reas