Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: >BTW, a friend (an expert on Soviet agriculture and politics) who spent a >year in the USSR in 1977 or so reported that Soviet academics were >expected to quote from Lenin in all articles (including articles on soil >chemistry). But they weren't supposed to quote from THE STATE AND >R

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-11 Thread Charles Brown
>>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 05/11/00 12:15PM >>> I wrote: >BTW, a friend (an expert on Soviet agriculture and politics) who spent a >year in the USSR in 1977 or so reported that Soviet academics were >expected to quote from Lenin in all articles (including articles on soil >chemistry).

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside

2000-05-10 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: > >I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class > >nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the > >proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling > >classes, that its rule would have to be democratic. Loui

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-10 Thread md7148
Jim Devine wrote: > >I don't think the issue of democracy should be separated from the class > >nature of the state. At least as I understand Marx, he believed that the > >proletariat would be a different kind of ruling class than previous ruling > >classes, that its rule would have to be democr

Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-11 Thread md7148
Regardless of how the USSR perceived Lenin's texts in 1977, _State and Revolution_ including _What is to be Done_ were written particulary _against_ anarchism, secterianism and vulgar economism so typical of Russian politics at the turn of the century. Mine >>> Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-10 Thread md7148
I did *not* misunderstand what you wrote. You just threw ideas without explaining them. that is why, your post is open to misinterpretation. I would like to see the quotes to know how Marx "anticipates" Stalinism...as a person partially trained in economic history, it seems to me a very "ahistori

Re: Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-10 Thread Jim Devine
>... The argument that Marx anticipated Stalinism is completely a >historical statement, made out of context, which pays attention to "ideas" >rather than to circumstances of Stalin's Russia. Projecting Marx onto >Stalin or vice versa is an idealist reading of >history. Ideas should be judged

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Vietnamese countryside (fwd)

2000-05-11 Thread Jim Devine
At 09:40 PM 5/10/00 -0400, you wrote: >I did *not* misunderstand what you wrote. You just threw ideas without >explaining them. that is why, your post is open to misinterpretation. I >would like to see the quotes to know how Marx "anticipates" Stalinism...as >a person partially trained in econ