Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-15 Thread Justin Schwartz
And this has what to do with whether philosophers have special knowledge of scientific method? --jks Anyway, I think that philosophers can do everything they ever could; only, they cannot set the bounds to knowledge or presume to dictate to scientists what the scientists may do as far as

RE: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-15 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Hey the sentence of yours below that I riffed on doesn't say squat about scientific method; which as you said can't be fully explicated anyway even if there is one. The "fact" is that law is a manifestation of philosophical discourse that merely happens to be backed up with guns. Surely you don't

Re: Re: RE: analytical philosophy

2000-12-15 Thread Carrol Cox
Ken Hanly wrote: Well if the stories are correct, Socrates accepted the death sentence of a democratic regime and argued at great length that it would be wrong for him not to accept the penalty.. He disobeyed orders from both a democratic and an oligarchic regime when his little voice told

Re: Re: Re: RE: analytical philosophy

2000-12-15 Thread Ken Hanly
- From: Carrol Cox [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 5:23 PM Subject: [PEN-L:6256] Re: Re: RE: analytical philosophy Ken Hanly wrote: Well if the stories are correct, Socrates accepted the death sentence of a democratic regime and argued at great

Re: Re: Re: RE: analytical philosophy

2000-12-15 Thread Shane Mage
Carrol Cox writes in denunciation of Sokrates and Platon: Well, he [Sokrates] hobnobbed with one of the sleaziest bunch of rich young terrorists that a democracy ever produced -- the 30 tyrants You "forget" to mention Sokrates' defiance of the Thirty when he was ordered to arrest Leon of

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Justin Schwartz
philosopher of science to talk to who had a brain. --jks From: Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:6122] Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2000 19:42:12 -0800 Justin wrote: I am not sure what the point of the study

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Jim Devine
At 05:24 PM 12/14/00 +, you wrote: Some propositions are so obviosu taht they do not require support unless reasons for doubt arise. Among these are that there is no single point to philosophical study of science or any other human activity. It was you who put forward the controversial,

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Justin Schwartz
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2000 10:33:36 -0800 At 05:24 PM 12/14/00 +, you wrote: Some propositions are so obviosu taht they do not require support unless reasons for doubt arise. Among these are that there is no single point to philosophical study of scie

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread J.A. Hernandez
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:22 PM 12/14/00 +, you wrote: Of course philosophy has a reason to be interested in science. Of course I do not think that disciplines should be hermetically sealed off from each other. Of course I think that social scientists should discuss how to do social science with philosophers

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Justin Schwartz
but you said that "there is no single point to philosophical study of science or any other human activity." Perhaps I misunderstood the meaning of "single" here, so that what you're saying is that there are _many_ points to the philosophical study of science. That's right. It seems to me that

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Jim Devine
It seems to me that philosophy has several special subject matters, such as metaphysics, epistemology, ontology, logic, ethics, and "human nature." No, those are just course classifications. They are not subject matters the way the economy is a subject matter for economists or the behavior of

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Pardon the incursion: It seems to me that philosophy has several special subject matters, such as metaphysics, epistemology, ontology, logic, ethics, and "human nature." No, those are just course classifications. They are not subject matters the way the economy is a subject matter for

RE: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Well for many analytical philosophers interested in the philosophy of science it is a type of conceptual analysis. What is a law in science? What is the subject matter of psychology? Mental events? What are they? Happenings in the brain etc..etc. Nothing at all, like phlogiston? What is a

Re: RE: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-14 Thread Ken Hanly
- Original Message - From: Lisa Ian Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2000 9:41 PM Subject: [PEN-L:6170] RE: Re: Re: analytical philosophy Well for many analytical philosophers interested in the philosophy of science it is a type of conceptual

Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Justin Schwartz
I am not sure what the point of the study of scientific method is,a nd I am specially trained in it. There may not be a single point. I doubt if there is. But I am absolutely certain that philosophers have no insight denied to scientists about what counts as good science. If the philosophers

Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Ken Hanly
Many analytical philosophers have been interested in the philosophy of science. Often they are interested in analysis of scientific concepts both in psychology and physical sciences. Norman Malcolm for example argued at great length with Skinner re Behaviorism. Ryle's Concept of Mind on the other

Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Jim Devine
Justin wrote: I am not sure what the point of the study of scientific method is,a nd I am specially trained in it. There may not be a single point. I doubt if there is. Perhaps you had the wrong professors (and given your complaints about them, that seems likely). But you don't present an

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: analytical philosophy

2000-12-13 Thread Carrol Cox
Jim Devine wrote: To paraphrase some dead old philosopher (who's likely to be ignored by analytical philosophers), unexamined research isn't worth doing. I'll be damned. You put some legitimate zing into a proposition that in the original was pretty vicious. To say the unexamined *life* is