Re: Re: Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-28 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/28/00 02:06PM >>> Carrol Cox wrote: >You have a really fine political mind -- but you are almost >deliberately trashing it. Anyone who takes you and Mark >really seriously can only conclude that further political >theorizing or organizing is pointless. The world is over

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-28 Thread Mark Jones
Doug wrote: >What > I'm not clear on is what exactly this socialist revolution would mean > for industrial and agricultural practice, energy sources, the > transformation of the built environment, living arrangements, etc. > This is exactly the issue. The point is not to be original, the point i

Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-28 Thread JKSCHW
Tolerated disagreement would have to be within narrow bounds. I went outside them in academia, and was cast out. I am now a lawyer. My experience is that intellectuals do not enjoy disagreement on fundamentals. Chomsky is right that they are herd animals. --jks Short of mass working-class mo

Re: Re: Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-28 Thread Doug Henwood
Carrol Cox wrote: >You have a really fine political mind -- but you are almost >deliberately trashing it. Anyone who takes you and Mark >really seriously can only conclude that further political >theorizing or organizing is pointless. The world is over. >Forget it. Let's go to the movies. That's

Re: Re: Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-28 Thread M A Jones
Carrol Cox wrote: > you and Mark, so far as I can tell, have actually persuaded > just one person -- Me! You haven't had the tiniest effect on anyone else > as far as I can see. So what are you going to do with your one single > solitary convert -- you are going to swear at him for saying, let's s

Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-28 Thread M A Jones
- Original Message - From: "Carrol Cox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2000 2:09 AM Subject: [PEN-L:20795] Re: Reply to Carrol Cox > Yes I agree the house is on fire. So what do we do? stop discussing rock music, waterfalls and brand imagery. Mar

Re: Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-27 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: > > THIS IS WRONG, CARROL. IT IS NOT "PRACTICAL". IT IS "THEORETICAL". LET ME > REPEAT IT WITH EMPHASIS: IT IS A THEORETICAL QUESTION. IT HAS TO DO WITH Lou, I followed with great interest the debate you and Mark had with Jim Heartfield some years ago and you convinced me

Re: Re: Reply to Carrol Cox

2000-06-27 Thread Louis Proyect
Carrol: >This is the part of your post which provoked the "Pish" in my pen-l post. The >problem posed by the four alleged "schools of thought" is not theoretical but >practical, and your belief that any such theoretical work can be or needs to >be carried out is as silly as Doug's frequent demand