Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Brad De Long wrote: > > > Brad DeLong, wondering if any of his descendants will break down > doors on night raids for the Fertility Police... This everyone knows -- when living standards rise, birthrates fall unless artificially pumped up in some way. So there will be no need for fertility po

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Eugene Coyle
It is not blame shifting. I am saying that Capitalism has us emulating the rich -- anybody richer than ourselves, regardless of whatever level we are at as individuals. And the people in the 89th percentile are driven to live like those in the 90th. I'm not saying that the rich consume all

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: how many? (fwd)

2000-07-01 Thread md7148
Carrol, look! please! I have been following the discussions with amazement here! "Eco-fascism" is a mistakenly directed ad hominem-- an unfortunate mischarecterization, to justify the eco-fascism of capitalism and the demands of the mainstream environmental movement. Association of socialist crit

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: > Eugene Coyle wrote: > > >Doug, you ignore the demonstration effect. What a Chez Panisse patron > >does becomes the goal of the rest of us. The environment > >can only be saved by stopping the rich from consuming more. And more. > >And more. And more. And more. > > Thi

Re: Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Eugene Coyle wrote: >Doug, you ignore the demonstration effect. What a Chez Panisse patron >does becomes the goal of the rest of us. The environment >can only be saved by stopping the rich from consuming more. And more. >And more. And more. And more. This is blame-shifting. It's like blamin

Re: Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Eugene Coyle
Doug, you ignore the demonstration effect. What a Chez Panisse patron does becomes the goal of the rest of us. The environment can only be saved by stopping the rich from consuming more. And more. And more. And more. And more. (copy phrase 9,000 times.) Gene Coyle Doug Henwood wrote: > Yo

Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Eugene Coyle
Yoshie hit the real question. Gene Coyle Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: > >Brad De Long wrote: > > > >>Does this mean that our ultimate goal is to get human population > >>down to one billion? I can see how we can stabilize world > >>population at 10 billion (maybe). I can't see how to get it down to

Re: Re: how many?

2000-07-01 Thread Doug Henwood
Yoshie Furuhashi wrote: >Being a lit-critter, not a bean-counter, I have no idea, but now >that you mention it, I'm curious. Suppose everyone on earth is to >live (at least) at the level of Brad's living standard (including >occasional visits to restaurants comparable to Chez Panisse), since