Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-19 Thread ALI KADRI
I think the purpose of all this is a search for a means to offset limitations of a formal approach to growth theory. Diminishing returns of capital and labour set in quickly in a Cobb Douglas setting, then you need human capital to offset diminishing returns. i have done something like that for

RE: Re: RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
As far as what prompted it, I would say the fact that before it came along, neoclassical growth theory was dead dead dead!!! What do you mean by this, though? Was it not able to predict the growth rates of postwar Japan? Or was the fashion for it over? It had no more explanatory power? (If

RE: Re: RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-19 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Christian wrote: What do you mean by this, though? Was it not able to predict the growth rates of postwar Japan? Are you familiar with Shaikh's HUMBUG production function? Mat Anwar Shaikh, 1974, "Laws of algebra and laws of production" Review of Economics and Statistics, 51, 1, pp. 115-20.

Re: RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-17 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
d analysis, but I think one needs to do more than that. Barkley Rosser -Original Message- From: Forstater, Mathew [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, February 16, 2001 6:50 PM Subject: [PEN-L:8226] RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory Seriously, they

RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Jim says: so what, in short, is the substance of their critique? I don't know that particular paper, but I have another one by Kurz. First, Kurz begins by quoting Adolph Lowe from a must-read 1954 article called "The Classical Theory of Economic Growth" that of course I can't help but

Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
MAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, February 15, 2001 7:59 PM Subject: [PEN-L:8167] Re: Re: Re: new growth theory At 03:42 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote: The best critique I have seen is Heinz Kurz and Neri Salvadori, "Theories of 'Endogenous Growth' in Historical Perspective," in _Contempo

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
: [PEN-L:8197] RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory Jim says: so what, in short, is the substance of their critique? I don't know that particular paper, but I have another one by Kurz. First, Kurz begins by quoting Adolph Lowe from a must-read 1954 article called "The Classical Theory of Eco

Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Jim Devine
My cup runneth over! Thank you very much, Mat! I hope that those who don't know growth theory as well as I to shun the "newness" of Romer _et al_. This should encourage me to dig up the chapter on growth theory of my dissertation (which treats growth as a disequilibrium process)... but it

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Jim Devine
Barkley wrote: Basically they do a very careful review of past approaches to growth theory and show that many of the classical writers, starting with Adam Smith, had essentially fully developed models of growth that incorporate the essential ideas of "new endogenous growth theory."

RE: Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Forstater, Mathew
think? -Original Message- From: J. Barkley Rosser, Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2001 3:45 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [PEN-L:8212] Re: RE: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory Mat, The one you have may be either an earlier version or some variation

RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Forstater, Mathew
I'm sorry, I missed what TFP stood for? As far as what prompted it, I would say the fact that before it came along, neoclassical growth theory was dead dead dead!!! See Beyond the Steady State edited by E. J. Nell, D. Laibman, and J. Halevi, Macmillan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Re: RE: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Christian Gregory
I'm sorry, I missed what TFP stood for? Total factor productivity. Is Arrow's A really TFP? As far as what prompted it, I would say the fact that before it came along, neoclassical growth theory was dead dead dead!!! What do you mean by this, though? Was it not able to predict the growth

RE: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-16 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
Barkley wrote: Basically they do a very careful review of past approaches to growth theory and show that many of the classical writers, starting with Adam Smith, had essentially fully developed models of growth that incorporate the essential ideas of "new endogenous growth theory."

Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread J. Barkley Rosser, Jr.
The best critique I have seen is Heinz Kurz and Neri Salvadori, "Theories of 'Endogenous Growth' in Historical Perspective," in _Contemporary Economic Issues: Economic Behaviour and Design, vol. 4, IEA Conference Volume No. 124, Proceedings of the Eleventh World Congress of the International

Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Jim Devine
At 03:42 PM 2/15/01 -0500, you wrote: The best critique I have seen is Heinz Kurz and Neri Salvadori, "Theories of 'Endogenous Growth' in Historical Perspective," in _Contemporary Economic Issues: Economic Behaviour and Design, vol. 4, IEA Conference Volume No. 124, Proceedings of the

Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Michael Perelman
The difference is that once the marginal cost is spent, the information can be used over and over. A machine cannot do the same thing. On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 05:32:02PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've never understood, given a certain set of assumptions, why endogenous growth theory was

Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Christian Gregory
Sure, but how is this cost of information different than the cost of training an employee how to use a complex machine? It costs time and money to do so, but once you do, the info can be used over and over at no cost to run the machine . Would this also not just be a variation on the Solow model

Re: Re: Re: Re: new growth theory

2001-02-15 Thread Michael Perelman
We are in agreement. I only said that the zero marginal costs was the major difference between the two approaches. On Thu, Feb 15, 2001 at 10:33:06PM -0800, Christian Gregory wrote: Sure, but how is this cost of information different than the cost of training an employee how to use a complex