Max Sawicky wrote:
> "The world is full of evil and sorrow, because it is full of lust.
> Men go astray because they think that delusion is better than truth.
> Rather than truth they follow error,
> which is pleasant to look at in the beginning
> but in the end causes anxiety, tribulation, and
Anthony DCosta wrote:
>
> I do not think pen-l is a great place for discussing Buddhism. While I am
> deeply irreligious, I have great respect for those who are. Ravi's
> commentary is simply at best immature and at worst inflammatory. The left
> does not have much too offer to those who are
Carrol Cox wrote:
>
> Anthony D'Costa wrote:
>
>>May be I wasn't clear enough: there is one thing as organized religion and
>>then there is spirituality. I meant the
>>
>
> Spirituality, not organized religion, is the evil. The left (when we get
> a left) must _of course_ include all religio
This is leading nowhere...I am talking about spirituality as people
practice it in other parts of the world, including Tamil Nadu and Kerala.
I abhor new ageism in CA, Deepak Chopra and the like. If deep
introspection is a result of someone saying you are immature you have
just missed the bus, no
Here's one example of how "religion" can be liberating: the Dalits,
untouchables in India, associated historically as well as now (mainly
in rural areas/small towns) with "polluting" activities, such as sweepers
(janitors), midwives, leather workers and cremation workers, among others.
Being explo
But surely religious beliefs are often part and parcel of the ruling class
ideology. Believing that this life is not important but only life after
death, that the poor shall inherit the earth, that the poor are blessed,
that the rich cannot get up there...and on and on and on ...ad nauseam..are
al
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> From: ravi narayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Max Sawicky wrote:
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> > "The world is full of evil and sorrow, because it is full of lust.
>
narayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Anthony DCosta wrote:
> >
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> > I do not think pen-l is a great place for discussing Buddhism. While I am
> >
--- ravi narayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anthony DCosta wrote:
> >
>
> > I do not think pen-l is a great place for
> discussing Buddhism. While I am
> > deeply irreligious, I have great respect for those
> who are. Ravi's
> > commentary is simply at best immature and at worst
> inflammat
: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:29:21 -0400
> From: ravi narayan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Carrol Cox wrote:
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> >
> > Anthony D'Costa wrote:
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> &
ed looksee,
light on the Biblical exegesis.
Michael Pugliese
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From: "Anthony DCosta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 10:59 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:13004] Re: Re: the gospel of buddha
> This is leading nowhere..
At 12:32 PM 6/11/01 -0500, you wrote:
>But surely religious beliefs are often part and parcel of the ruling class
>ideology. Believing that this life is not important but only life after
>death, that the poor shall inherit the earth, that the poor are blessed,
>that the rich cannot get up there...
Anthony DCosta wrote:
> Who is a "good buddha"?
>
no, no, not "a" good buddha. "the" good buddha, as in the main man
himself, siddharth, gautama, you know, the dude with the piled-on-
top-in-a-bun hairdo and the funky toga robe thingummy, who turned
to existentialist despair upon confronting t
Could be a CB handle.
mbs
Who is a "good buddha"?
May be I wasn't clear enough: there is one thing as organized religion and
then there is spirituality. I meant the latter. Hocus pocus is reserved
for magicians. Of course sitting in CA probably doesn't expose people to
spirituality that I am aware of, say in many parts of Asia.
xx
Up periscope a minute..
I was interested in the comments on the Gospel of Buddha. Since I am not a
Buddhist, nor a Christian, my point was missed (I never made it), which was
not to pit traditional religion either againt Darwinism or Marxism.
Discussion tends to get rubricked under the terms 's
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> > This is leading nowhere...I am talking about spirituality as people
> > practice it in other parts of the world, including Tamil
Didn't he say that the religion cut both ways -- sort of like Genovese on
Black churches under slavery. The workers adopted Methodist-like methods
of organization, but religion dampened revolutionary zeal
Its been several decades since I read it, but I still have a vivid memory
of the worker on
Churches in Western Canada at one time..
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, June 11, 2001 12:48 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:13101] Re: Re: Re: the gospel of buddha
> At 12:32 PM 6/11/01 -0500, yo
In a message dated 6/5/2001 6:50:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
no, no, not "a" good buddha. "the" good buddha, as in the main man
himself, siddharth, gautama, you know, the dude with the piled-on-
top-in-a-bun hairdo and the funky toga robe thingummy, who turned
to exist
In a message dated 6/5/2001 6:50:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Anthony DCosta wrote:
> Who is a "good buddha"?
>
no, no, not "a" good buddha. "the" good buddha, as in the main man
himself, siddharth, gautama, you know, the dude with the piled-on-
top-in-a-bun hairdo
G'day Jim,
>I'm afraid there are some important issues -- such as the implications of
one's own death -- that can't be dealt with in a rational or empirical way.<
You stop. And then they incinerate your carcass whilst Billy Bragg's
Internationale plays in the chapel. And then the bereaved get
Anthony D'Costa wrote:
>
> May be I wasn't clear enough: there is one thing as organized religion and
> then there is spirituality. I meant the
Spirituality, not organized religion, is the evil. The left (when we get
a left) must _of course_ include all religious leftists, even among the
lea
In a message dated 6/8/2001 2:43:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I agree with Anthony. This thread is not going anywhere
A final comment. If this thread is going nowhere, then let it stop. But then
please do not associate me or my work with New Ageism, even if I mention
Greetings Economists,
Michael Perelman writes,
Michael,
I agree with Anthony. This thread is not going anywhere.
Doyle
I differ here with this opinion. There is considerable analysis to be made
about what is religion in terms of IT production, human and primate
evolution, and especially in reg
At a "dumb" terinal , no windows so can't cut and paste the
excerpt on the web.) The book published originally by the Italian
leftist publisher, G. Feltrinelli, by Vittorio Lanternari, "Religions
of the Oppressed, " from the early 60's, is a useful text. Go
to Google type in 'religions of the
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> There are certainly some religious trends that are progressive, liberation
> theology and the social gospel movement come to mind. Often these trends
> come int
The Religions of the Oppressed.
http://www.csp.org/chrestomathy/religions_of.html
Lanternari, Vittorio. (1963).
New York: Alfred A. Knopf.
Note: Originally published as Movimenti religiosi di liberta e di salvezza
dei popoli oppressi by Giangiacomo Feltrinelli Editore, translated by Lisa
Sergio.
> "michael" == Michael Pugliese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
michael>And some start out progressive and move rightward. The
michael>Pentacostals in
michael> the 20's had integrated congregrations, and starting in the
michael> 30's divided into white and black denominations.
I
001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2001 19:15:33 EDT
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> In a message dated 6/5/2001 6:50:36 PM Eastern Daylight Ti
At 12:54 AM 6/7/01 +, you wrote:
>G'day Jim,
>
> >I'm afraid there are some important issues -- such as the implications of
>one's own death -- that can't be dealt with in a rational or empirical way.<
>
>You stop. And then they incinerate your carcass whilst Billy Bragg's
>Internationale pla
At 10:04 AM 6/6/01 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > May be I wasn't clear enough: there is one thing as organized religion and
> > then there is spirituality. I meant the
>
>Spirituality, not organized religion, is the evil. The left (when we get
>a left) must _of course_ include all religious leftists,
I'm not sure how things work in SoCal, but up north
here "spirituality" is sorta religion-lite. We've got
non-alcohol beer, non-fat milk, and non-God religion,
otherwise known as the Unitarians. The Unitarians
appararently can't give up the structure of the
church.
Further out, there's lots of p
xx
On Wed, 6 Jun 2001, Carrol Cox wrote:
> Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2001 10:04:05 -0500
> From: Carrol Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: [PEN-L:12865] Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: the gospel of buddha
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> Anthony D
are there
echoes of Charles Wolff or Carchetti's earlier work on mental labor in your
research?
Ann
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From: "Doyle Saylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, June 08, 2001 9:27 PM
Subject: [PEN-L:13023] Re: Re:
At 09:32 AM 6/6/01 -0700, you wrote:
>We've got
>non-alcohol beer, non-fat milk, and non-God religion,
>otherwise known as the Unitarians. The Unitarians
>appararently can't give up the structure of the
>church.
as an excommunicated Unitarian and as a current goyisher participant in a
secular Je
Greetings Economists,
Ann Li remarks and queries me,
Ann Li,
Doyle, Having read your prior post on the joint attention issue, I'd like to
hear a bit more on how your knowledge production interests include network
formation of "ideology" as well as perhaps Roemerian exploitation. I say
this onl
secular
humanism...
Cheers, Ken Hanly
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From: Jim Devine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:35 AM
Subject: [PEN-L:12878] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: the gospel of buddha
> At 09:32 AM 6/6/01 -0700, you wrot
ednesday, June 06, 2001 11:35 AM
> Subject: [PEN-L:12878] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: RE: the gospel of buddha
>
>
> > At 09:32 AM 6/6/01 -0700, you wrote:
> > >We've got
> > >non-alcohol beer, non-fat milk, and non-God religion,
> > >otherwise kno
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