Re: Re: Slavery stuff

2000-10-31 Thread Charles Brown
Jim D. Here is your use of the terminology "absolutely necessary" and "need". In this same sense, literal slavery has been historically necessary to capitalism as was the inclosure actions and doubly "free" ( actually free and relieved of the land as a natural laboratory). Charles [EMAIL

Re: Slavery stuff

2000-10-27 Thread Jim Devine
Charles wrote: Marx specifically talks about capital, not "the capitalist system". He says nothing that would contradict the fact that capital or wage-labor/capital is combined in a system with slave bondage. The capitalists need only some doubly free ; and some free of means of production,

Re: Slavery stuff

2000-10-26 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/25/00 06:09PM I didn't say that capitalism didn't play a crucial role at the early stages. It's unclear -- without a lot of counter-historical speculation -- whether or not slavery was "necessary." CB: The same is true of what happened in England. There

Re: Re: Slavery stuff

2000-10-26 Thread Jim Devine
I wrote: I didn't say that capitalism didn't play a crucial role at the early stages. It's unclear -- without a lot of counter-historical speculation -- whether or not slavery was "necessary." Charles writes: CB: The same is true of what happened in England. There would have to be a

RE: Slavery stuff

2000-10-25 Thread Forstater, Mathew
Jim: I don't discount enslaved labor, though I don't see why it needs to be capitalized. For the same reason that, while there may have been many holocausts, most of the world uses the Holocaust to speak about one in particular.