Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-02-01 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
Charles, I do not know whether science has ethical implications but the practice of science and rational argument depends on ethical commitments--good faith attempts to understand the other side, to consider and carefully engage counter-criticism before launching the same criticism in the same

Re: Re: RE: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-30 Thread Michael Perelman
Come on. We don't need this crap! Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > >[somehow my e-mail program isn't cooperating again. Here's my complete > >message.] > > > >[I thought I started writing a reply to this, but somehow there's no file. > >I'm sorry if anyone received two versions.] > > > >Paul Phillips w

Re: RE: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-30 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>[somehow my e-mail program isn't cooperating again. Here's my complete >message.] > >[I thought I started writing a reply to this, but somehow there's no file. >I'm sorry if anyone received two versions.] > >Paul Phillips writes: >The question we were discussing, I thought, was what >explains the

Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-30 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>The rate of profit and recession >by Rakesh Bhandari >29 January 2002 20:45 UTC > > > >why is there overaccumulation in the system as a whole? why is >global investment demand not strong and high enough to realize the >surplus value that remains latent in commodities? > > > > > >"Let us

RE: the rate of profit and recession

2002-01-30 Thread Devine, James
Charles writes:>>On the below, I don't know if I interpreted your reference to "the counter-acting tendency ...winning" correctly as one of the countervailing influences that Marx lists that prevent the profit rate from falling despite its general tendency to fall. << >I'm not as interested in be

RE: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-30 Thread Devine, James
hat's the problem with Perelman's rule that we can't attach individual's names to descriptions of assholery. It sometimes implies that innocent parties feel confused or even insulted by the floating & abstract descriptions. Jim Devine. -Original Message- From:

Re: Re: Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Fred B. Moseley
On Tue, 29 Jan 2002, Doug Henwood wrote: > Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > > >The Fed is powerless to change this; fiscal policy can relieve > >realization problems but the resumption of private investments > >depends on the restoration of profitability through the devaluation > >of constant capita

RE: Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Devine, James
[I thought I started writing a reply to this, but somehow there's no file. I'm sorry if anyone received two versions.] Paul Phillips writes: >The question we were discussing, I thought, was what explains the drop in profits after 1997 (despite rapidly rising labour productivity) and which subsequ

RE: Re: Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Devine, James
Doug writes:>So, translating into demotic English - one of the most aggressive easing streaks in Fed history will have no effect, and there will be no recovery anytime soon?< the cuts have already had an effect in the U.S.: they propped up the asset values of housing and the stock market, which h

Re: Re: Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > >>The Fed is powerless to change this; fiscal policy can relieve >>realization problems but the resumption of private investments >>depends on the restoration of profitability through the devaluation >>of constant capital and a rising rate of surplus value. > >So, tran

Re: Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>Jim, > >The question we were discussing, I thought, was what explains the >drop in profits after 1997 (despite rapidly rising labour productivity) >and which subsequently resulted in a fall in investment initiating the >recession. Your data, at least as I read it, questioned whether the >fall in

Re: Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Doug Henwood
Rakesh Bhandari wrote: >The Fed is powerless to change this; fiscal policy can relieve >realization problems but the resumption of private investments >depends on the restoration of profitability through the devaluation >of constant capital and a rising rate of surplus value. So, translating

Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
So Bush is attempting to build confidence by some fiscal stimulus with future regressive tax savings by cutting into any kind of social welfare. Social darwinist military Keynesianism. Rakesh Actually I am not quite right here. Bush's attempt to restore benefits to legal non citizen

Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread phillp2
Jim, The question we were discussing, I thought, was what explains the drop in profits after 1997 (despite rapidly rising labour productivity) and which subsequently resulted in a fall in investment initiating the recession. Your data, at least as I read it, questioned whether the fall in pr

Re: : The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
> > > >CB: Yea, realization problems. In this passage , Mattick is with >us, isn't he ? Even if he discusses "realization of surplus value by >accumulation", his conclusion is dependent upon "insufficient >demand" by consumers of commodities from Department I, insufficient >mass deman

Re: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>Why undermine a perfectly informative discussion with such personal sniping? >Please stop. We seem agreed that capitalists did not undertake the level of investment needed for surplus value to have been realized. The question is why. There are several answers on the table: (1) underconsumpt

RE: Re: RE: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Devine, James
Paul Phillips writes: > What you suggest here is that the profit rate fell despite a *falling organic composition of capital*. I don't disagree though I would again ask is that because of an improper measuring of productivity growth as I suggested in my earlier post? You suggest this seems to

Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Why undermine a perfectly informative discussion with such personal sniping? Please stop. Rakesh Bhandari wrote: > Paul wrote: > So I would appreciate a little less > >patronizing by Rakesh > > really the gall of this is impressive. Just the other day I an > ignoramus whose papers you would fl

RE: the rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Devine, James
I wrote:>>The fixed capital/output ratio continued to fall all the way until 2000 (following its trend from the early 1980s), indicating that labor productivity growth exceeded the rate of growth of fixed capital per worker. The "classical Marxist" theory doesn't seem to work, at least not for thi

Re: Re: RE: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
> > >I was suggesting that Marx may also have been wrong on the effect >of 'globalization' (internationalization of capitalism) on what I believe >you have advocated in other papers, the 'overaccumulation of >capital' which I suggested with respect, particularly to China but >also to other areas o

Re: RE: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-29 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
> >The recent falls (i.e., of the last 1 1/2 years or so) are due to falling >demand and rates of capacity utilization. That is, there were realization >problems. Jim, the classical Marxist is not denying that there is falling demand and realization problems! As Mattick Sr puts it: "Every crisi

Re: RE: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-28 Thread phillp2
change rate and increased competition, has yet to be answered. Paul Paul Phillips, Economics, University of Manitoba From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "'[EMAIL PROTECTED]'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject:

RE: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-28 Thread Devine, James
Paul Phillips writes:>In the late 90's we kept hearing from CEOs, primarily in the US, that the reason inflation was contained was as a result of increasing competition from offshore companies, in part because of 'globalization' of production and increased overinvestment (increasing excess product

Re: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-28 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
oops left out a NOT Excess capacity and the global competition to which it gives rise are the effects, rather than the causes, of a retrenchment in investment which is itself caused by diminishing profit prospects which thus remains to be explained. The explanations which are consistent with

Re: Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-28 Thread Rakesh Bhandari
>Fred, Jim and Charles, > >In the late 90's we kept hearing from CEOs, primarily in the US, >that the reason inflation was contained was as a result of >increasing competition from offshore companies, in part because of >'globalization' of production and increased overinvestment >(increasing exce

Re: The rate of profit and recession

2002-01-28 Thread Paul Phillips
Fred, Jim and Charles, In the late 90's we kept hearing from CEOs, primarily in the US, that the reason inflation was contained was as a result of increasing competition from offshore companies, in part because of 'globalization' of production and increased overinvestment (increasing excess