Re: Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-30 Thread joanna bujes
At 07:30 PM 09/29/2002 -0700, Charles wrote: >I would bet you used phonics methods in beginning >reading within a much larger approach to reading, >which usually is, in a nutshell, to learn to read >by reading so as to have lifelong reading to >learn. That might include sight vocabulary/whole >wor

Re: RE: Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-30 Thread Ken Gordon
I think this is the point. The interesting research issue for someone is to examine how and why phonics vs. whole language became a religious issue. On Monday, September 30, 2002, at 09:47 AM, Devine, James wrote: Anyway, my point is that phonics work for some students. The problem with public ed

RE: Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-30 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:30697] Re: War Against Literacy= I wrote: > >  The Bushite teach-to-the-test Bushwa is a  disaster (as is the whole "Leave > > No Child Behind" nonsense, which seems aimed at  helping the private > > schools), but here's a good word for

Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Charles Jannuzi
--- joanna bujes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey Charles, > > I'm lost. I've taught three children to read > using phonics...with > outstanding results. Is the point that phonics > is a bad method? Or that the > tests are self serving? > > Joanna > I would bet you used phonics methods in be

Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Tom Walker
Michael Perelman asked, >Neil Bush is also involved in the testing business. Is that an omen of >impending collapse? Silverado Neil has a company that produces web-based multi-media instructional support material. That no doubt fits under the supplemental services component of No Child Left Beh

Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread joanna bujes
Hey Charles, I'm lost. I've taught three children to read using phonics...with outstanding results. Is the point that phonics is a bad method? Or that the tests are self serving? Joanna

Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Charles Jannuzi
--- Michael Perelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I cannot speak about educational matters in > particular, but BW is probably the least > ideological of business publication -- probably > because they do not seem to be > pitching to the rubes, but to business people > who profit from information

Re: Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Michael Perelman
I cannot speak about educational matters in particular, but BW is probably the least ideological of business publication -- probably because they do not seem to be pitching to the rubes, but to business people who profit from information. Charles Jannuzi wrote: > BW is a McGraw Hill mouthpiece o

Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Michael Perelman
Neil Bush is also involved in the testing business. Is that an omen of impending collapse? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Charles Jannuzi
I sort of wrote this up while engaged in pro-Whole Language debate in support of people like Krashen and Goodman (true heroes for language and literacy education in the US). It has since grown into a presentation at the World Congress for Applied Linguistics in Singapore this December (my other p

Re: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Charles Jannuzi
--- "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The Bushite teach-to-the-test Bushwa is a > disaster (as is the whole "Leave > No Child Behind" nonsense, which seems aimed at > helping the private > schools), but here's a good word for phonics: > different children have > different "learning sty

RE: War Against Literacy=$$$$

2002-09-29 Thread Devine, James
Title: RE: [PEN-L:30692] War Against Literacy=  The Bushite teach-to-the-test Bushwa is a disaster (as is the whole "Leave No Child Behind" nonsense, which seems aimed at helping the private schools), but here's a good word for phonics: different children have different "learning styles,"