Re: Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-03 Thread Louis Proyect
Justin wrote: >No doubt I am confused. It is an occupational hazard. And I haven't seen the >movie. However, whites who played "hot" jazz, like Bix Beiderbecke or even >Benny Goodman, whose swing was pretty hot, as opposed to Paul Whiteman style >"dance" music, were often not just musically clo

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread JKSCHW
No doubt I am confused. It is an occupational hazard. And I haven't seen the movie. However, whites who played "hot" jazz, like Bix Beiderbecke or even Benny Goodman, whose swing was pretty hot, as opposed to Paul Whiteman style "dance" music, were often not just musically close to black perfor

Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Louis Proyect
>wait, Louis! how do you know what "Woody Allen had concocted in his head" >and that he "made no point" if _you didn't see more than 10 or so minutes >of the movie_? I read lots of reviews in preparation for my post. The negative ones stuck in my mind. As the first few minutes of the film unfo

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 07:33 PM 08/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Emmett Ray, if you missed my mention of the >fact that he is played by Sean Penn, is white. His foolishness is meant to >illustrate some point that Woody Allen had concocted in his head. When you >try to illustrate points with characters, you end up either

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Carrol Cox
Louis Proyect wrote: > When you > try to illustrate points with characters, you end up either boring people > or not making the point. Interesting, if true, and probably true on the whole. But Plato and Dante, who both to this to some extent though in different ways, are not boring, and they

Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Louis Proyect
Umm--have you seem some of the getups Louis Armstrong used to perform in? I mean, this was "jungle music," and musicians did all sorts of ridiculous and humiliating stagey things. Even Ellington, who had more dignity than all of us put together, went along with a lot of foolishness at the Cotton

Re: Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Michael Perelman
I enjoyed the slapstick Woody Allen, but his later urban persona was boring. None of the characters in his films interested me. Louis Proyect wrote: > >It was worth watching to the end, the deaf lady disses Emmet big time... > > > >steve > > > >Stephen Philion > > I actually had intended to wat

Re: Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread JKSCHW
Umm--have you seem some of the getups Louis Armstrong used to perform in? I mean, this was "jungle music," and musicians did all sorts of ridiculous and humiliating stagey things. Even Ellington, who had more dignity than all of us put together, went along with a lot of foolishness at the Cott

Re: Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Louis Proyect
>It was worth watching to the end, the deaf lady disses Emmet big time... > >steve > >Stephen Philion I actually had intended to watch it until the end, but it was so painfully inept that I couldn't watch past the first ten minutes. Leaving aside the sheer repulsiveness of the central character,

Re: Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Stephen E Philion
It was worth watching to the end, the deaf lady disses Emmet big time... steve Stephen Philion Lecturer/PhD Candidate Department of Sociology 2424 Maile Way Social Sciences Bldg. # 247 Honolulu, HI 96822 On Wed, 2 Aug 2000, Jim Devine wrote: > At 01:58 PM 08/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: > >Turni

Re: Woody Allen and jazz

2000-08-02 Thread Jim Devine
At 01:58 PM 08/02/2000 -0400, you wrote: >Turning now to one of Woody Allen's most recent (and unwatchable) >films--"Sweet and Lowdown"--we are presented with not only another version >of his museum sensibility with respect to music, but an apologia for his >own amoral behavior > >In "Sweet