Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
Kenneth Campbell wrote: Lou -- I hesitate to write... but I must state... I know you are smart... But these ambush letters in which you ask a question and copy it to a list... is not right. Private is private. I assume that this was meant as a private communication, but I will answer it publicly

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
And isn't time for us to ditch the epithet anti-globalization, to beat a dead horse already? absolutely! that's why I put that word in quotation marks when I posted the article by Fausto Bertinotti to pen-l. It's his mistake to use that term. Jim

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Lou -- I hesitate to write... but I must state... I know you are smart... But these ambush letters in which you ask a question and copy it to a list... is not right. Private is private. Ken. -- Literature is the art of writing something that will be read twice; journalism what will be read

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and polycentric than the old-fashioned Washington/Hollywood/Wall Street rules the world

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Carrol Cox
Doug Henwood wrote: Devine, James wrote: I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and polycentric than the old-fashioned Washington/Hollywood/Wall

Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
I am commenting on selected passages from an article that can be read in its entirety at: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1016107,00.html Reformist social democracy is no longer on the agenda The anti-globalisation movement is the basis of a left alternative Fausto Bertinotti The

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Devine, James
I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? Jim

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
Kenneth Campbell wrote: Jesus... Lou... You okay? No, Ken, I am not all right. I don't like being threatened by you. I don't like having my time wasted going through the Marxmail archives to weed out your god-damned messages. I was willing to let the whole thing drop, but you should know better

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Jesus... Lou... You okay? None the less, the letter to the editor Marxism is not sufficient for my family. Writing things doesn't work alone. Ken. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Louis Proyect Sent: Monday, August 11, 2003 1:56 PM To: [EMAIL

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Bill Lear
On Monday, August 11, 2003 at 16:04:29 (-0400) Doug Henwood writes: Devine, James wrote: I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and polycentric than

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
It's always the person responding to the irritable grouch that gets the reprimand, isn't it? Doug Doug, when did you take Jerry Levy's place on PEN-L? Louis Proyect, Marxism mailing list: http://www.marxmail.org

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Perelman wrote: let's keep cool. It's always the person responding to the irritable grouch that gets the reprimand, isn't it? Doug

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Michael Perelman
let's keep cool. On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 02:03:10PM -0400, Kenneth Campbell wrote: Jesus... Lou... You okay? None the less, the letter to the editor Marxism is not sufficient for my family. Writing things doesn't work alone. Ken. -Original Message- From: PEN-L list

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Doug wrote: It's always the person responding to the irritable grouch that gets the reprimand, isn't it? Louie wrote: Doug, when did you take Jerry Levy's place on PEN-L? It amazes me that so little has changed. I knew Jerry Levy online 6-7 years ago, back when I disappeared from leftie lists

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Louis Proyect
A trap set for protesters Michael Hardt Friday February 21, 2003 The Guardian full: http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,899852,00.html HARDT: Corresponding in part to the new US anti-Europeanism, there is today in Europe and across the world a growing anti-Americanism. In particular,

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Louis Proyect [EMAIL PROTECTED] But the February 15th demonstrations were mounted despite the grumbling of Michael Hardt that it was diverting attention from the real movement, namely anti-globalization. = [Oh really? And

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-14 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Hardt wrote: It is unfortunate but inevitable that much of the energies that had been active in the globalisation protests have now at least temporarily been redirected against the war. We need to oppose this war, but we must also look beyond it and avoid being drawn into the trap of its

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-12 Thread Devine, James
Doug writes: I'd say the Empire thesis has some life in it yet. I asked: in 25 words or less, how would you summarize the Empire thesis? Doug replies: What's relevant here is that imperial power is far more dispersed and polycentric than the old-fashioned Washington/Hollywood/Wall Street

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-12 Thread Michael Perelman
Look, I have been gone all day. An old friend from my hometown visited, who is writing a book on colleges. I get back and see nastiness. With several hundred e-mails, I look at them quickly and relatively randomly. So when I try to give a cease and decist order, the post to which it is attached

Re: Reply to an Observer article by the Italian Refounded CP

2003-08-11 Thread Doug Henwood
Devine, James wrote: In my view, there are two levels or elements to imperialism as we currently know it: 1) the hegemony of the US; and 2) imperialism as a world system of structured inequality, domination, dependency, and exploitation. The excessive emphasis on the first seems to be what Doug