Re: Re: Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-24 Thread Rob Schaap
G'day Ken >Well gee golly! As Habermas hath written and The Bible warns us... >Talk about a subject self-managing modern society makes no sense to me. >What is it supposed to mean? I take it to mean that Habermas has been making a play to get his (not altogether unimpressive) communicative ratio

Re: Re: Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-23 Thread ALI KADRI
at > capitalism is here to stay rather than the ultimate > triumph of Justin's > market socialism. > > Yours for analytical clarity...Ken Hanly > > - Original Message - > From: Ricardo Duchesne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Se

Re: Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-22 Thread Ken Hanly
dnesday, November 22, 2000 3:24 PM Subject: [PEN-L:4793] Re: The "unique" English peasantry. > Any talk about a macro-subject turning the historical process in > completely new direction is utopian at best. No subject can self- > manage modern society given its high level of comp

Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-22 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Any talk about a macro-subject turning the historical process in completely new direction is utopian at best. No subject can self- manage modern society given its high level of complexity and systems-differentiation. As Habermas has written, Marx "overlook[ed] the fact that any modern society,

Re: : The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-22 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/21/00 05:51PM >>> Charles Brown wrote: > > > CB: Do you understand "inevitable" in the same sense that Engels and Marx use it in >The Manifesto when they say ? : > > "The essential conditions for the existence and for the sway of the bourgeois class >is the formatio

Re: : The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-21 Thread Carrol Cox
Charles Brown wrote: > > > CB: Do you understand "inevitable" in the same sense that Engels and Marx use it in >The Manifesto when they say ? : > > "The essential conditions for the existence and for the sway of the bourgeois class >is the formation and augmentation of capital; the condition

: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-21 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/21/00 04:16PM >>> Charles Brown wrote: > " "Capitalism was a force that could not > be denied. Its rise was inevitable at some point or other." > > > > CB: Tres interesant. Is the fall of capitalism inevitable at some point or other ? If this is true, so

Re: Re: Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-21 Thread Ken Hanly
Re: Re: The "unique" English peasantry. > > > Charles Brown wrote: > > > " "Capitalism was a force that could not > > be denied. Its rise was inevitable at some point or other." > > > > > > > > CB: Tres interesa

Re: Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-21 Thread Carrol Cox
Charles Brown wrote: > " "Capitalism was a force that could not > be denied. Its rise was inevitable at some point or other." > > > > CB: Tres interesant. Is the fall of capitalism inevitable at some point or other ? If this is true, socialism is doomed. The only basis for confide

Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-21 Thread Charles Brown
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/13/00 11:36AM >>> Re: Ali Kadri's commentary I would recommend S. K. Sanderson's Social Transformations, A General Theory of Historical Development (1995). This book collects data which shows that "urbanization has been a striking feature of agrarian social growth ov

Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-13 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Re: Ali Kadri's commentary I would recommend S. K. Sanderson's Social Transformations, A General Theory of Historical Development (1995). This book collects data which shows that "urbanization has been a striking feature of agrarian social growth over a period of nearly 4,000 years...There is

Re: Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-10 Thread ALI KADRI
Although I am not a historian, I have been following this discussion from a distance. It occurred to me that a former colleague who is now at Tehran University wrote a dissertation on the Medieval Islamic city. What struck me in that was the huge number of people in those cities. For instance in F

Re: The "unique" English peasantry.

2000-11-09 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
The important question we need to ask, then, is whether England had a "unique" group of peasant holders. A full answer to this question would require a comparative study of the world peasantries. But we have enough research on the peasantries of England and France to say that: 1) through t