Re: The simple/elementary form of value considered as a whole (was Re: Charlie Andrew's book)

2000-09-21 Thread Jim Devine
Jim Devine suggested a passage on page 128 (vintage) 38 (progress). The explicit distinction is on page 152/66. Marx is clear in stating that value and its magnitude DO NOT originate in exchange value, they are "expressed" in exchange value. Tom, could you give the full quote? Jim Devine

The simple/elementary form of value considered asa whole (was Re:Charlie Andrew's book)

2000-09-21 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/21/00 10:54AM Originally, Charles Brown (CB) wrote: CB: Do you happen to recall where Marx makes the distinction between "exchange value" and "value" ? I thought "value" was shorthand for "exchange value" in _Capital_. Jim Devine suggested a passage on page 128

RE: RE: The simple/elementary form of value considered as a whole (was Re: Charlie Andrew's book)

2000-09-21 Thread Lisa Ian Murray
"...the common substance that manifests itself in the exchange-value of commodities, whenever they are exchanged, is their value. The progress of our investigation will show that exchange-value is the only form in which the value of commodities can manifest itself or be expressed. For

Re: The simple/elementary form of value . . .

2000-09-21 Thread Timework Web
Charles Brown wrote, Though most of the book "value" is used. But "value" can be used to refer to "use-value" too. Value in the sense of "wealth" is in the form of commodities, and commodities are bundles of exchange-value and use-value. Remember, though, "A commodity appears at first sight

Re: The simple/elementary form of value . . .

2000-09-21 Thread Charles Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/21/00 12:22PM Charles Brown wrote, Though most of the book "value" is used. But "value" can be used to refer to "use-value" too. Value in the sense of "wealth" is in the form of commodities, and commodities are bundles of exchange-value and use-value. Remember,

RE: The simple/elementary form of value considered as a whole (wasRe: Charlie Andrew's book)

2000-09-21 Thread Timework Web
Mat Forstater wrote, I don't see either one as short-hand for the other. Exchange-value is the expression of value. Correct. However, Marx _used_ exchange-value as an abbreviation, _said_ he had used it as an abbreviation but then pointed out that, strictly speaking, it was wrong to do so. I