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2004-03-16 Thread Charles Brown
the westerners don't come close to us indians when it comes to being conservative about this stuff. we literally wrote the book on sex, but now we don't even touch or kiss each other during sex ;-) ;-). --ravi ^^ How do you avoid touching during sex ? Must be quite a trick. Charles

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2004-03-16 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Charles asked: How do you avoid touching during sex ? Must be quite a trick. This is a slightly "schizo" answer maybe, but I would say, it could happen in a dream. John Lennon explains this as follows in his track #9 Dream, as follows: On a river of soundThru the mirror go round,

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2004-03-16 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do you avoid touching during sex ? Must be quite a trick. Charles === Remember the condom scene in The Naked Gun? Ian

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2004-03-16 Thread Craven, Jim
- Original Message - From: Charles Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] How do you avoid touching during sex ? Must be quite a trick. Charles === Remember the condom scene in The Naked Gun? Ian Response Jim C: Or, there are those phone numbers for phone sex, plus new

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2004-03-15 Thread ravi
Sabri Oncu wrote: Of course, it is unsual for you westerners who forgot the closeness touching one another brings out but I don't blame you. It is just sad that you don't know how to touch and kiss each other except when you have sex. the westerners don't come close to us indians when it

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2004-03-15 Thread joanna bujes
OK. That's hillarious. Joanna ravi wrote: Sabri Oncu wrote: Of course, it is unsual for you westerners who forgot the closeness touching one another brings out but I don't blame you. It is just sad that you don't know how to touch and kiss each other except when you have sex. the westerners

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2004-03-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
Jim: I think Sabri goes much too far. All contracts -- including unsigned ones -- are based on trust, not love. Not all but most and I agree. Trust is the main thing. What I had in mind when I wrote what I wrote was my contracts with my late father, my son, my spouse, a few close friends and

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2004-03-14 Thread Devine, James
Sabri writes: The issue is the following; If I heartlessly set up some objective functions and crank my optimization tools to optimize them, why should anybody trust me? What if the optimal solution of my objective function requires me to screw you? that's my concern, too. I think that

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2004-03-14 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
One of the problems with a capitalist society (or, more generally, a commodity-producing one) is that market competition encourages rampant individualism and instrumentalism, undermining the needed fellow-feeling and trust. A problem I think is that many leftist politico's think that solidarity

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2004-03-14 Thread Sabri Oncu
Marvin: I have a genuine interest in the issue, want to know more about it, and have no ax to grind. I think it was good of Juriann Bendian to raise it, and bad for Sabri to curtly dismiss his effort as a bad essay without any explanation except derivative are dangerous (indeed) and to

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2004-03-13 Thread Devine, James
Sabri Oncu wrote: After all, every human relation is based on some sort of a contract whether it is our relationship with our lovers, children, parents, siblings, friends and the like. Just that most these (unsigned) contracts are enforceable not by law but by love and we can always opt out

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2004-03-13 Thread Jurriaan Bendien
Jim wrote: I think that Sabri goes much too far. All contracts -- including unsigned ones -- are based on trust, not love. (...) One of the problems with a capitalist society (or, more generally, a commodity-producing one) is that market competition encourages rampant individualism and

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2004-03-12 Thread andie nachgeborenen
There has been a lot of discussion of the question you ask about the behavior of people in a self-managed economy, some of it mathematized. For for formal discussion, see various works of Jaroslav Vanek, including, I think, The Labor Managed Economy, and Benjamin Ward's classic paper 'The Firm in

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2004-03-12 Thread Sabri Oncu
I am not sure if this is a _side issue_ Justin. As you may have noticed, I do not use _scare quotes_ this time since I use quotes most of the time, but not always, to _highlight_ things. I don't think there is any need to put scare quotes around contracts in a market socialist society. A

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2004-03-12 Thread joanna bujes
Sabri Oncu wrote: After all, every human relation is based on some sort of a contract whether it is our relationship with our lovers, children, parents, siblings, friends and the like. Just that most these (unsigned) contracts are enforceable not by law but by love and we can always opt out