Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-30 Thread Thomas Kruse
In general I see a tendency to let capitalism's moral crimes and despoilation of the environment obscure the advances it brought in terms of productive capacity. The latter doesn't justify the former, but the former does not negate the latter either. Cheers, MBS OK, yes. But why the

Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-30 Thread Max B. Sawicky
From: Thomas Kruse [EMAIL PROTECTED] In general I see a tendency to let capitalism's moral crimes and despoilation of the environment obscure the advances it brought in terms of productive capacity. The latter doesn't justify the former, but the former does not negate the

Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-29 Thread Ricardo Duchesne
Date sent: Thu, 29 Jan 1998 13:01:13 -0600 (CST) Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "William S. Lear" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: correction On Thu, January 29, 1998 at 07:23:19 (EST) PJM0930 writes: What this suggests

Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-29 Thread Max B. Sawicky
Ricardo Duchesne: Oviously the notion that European capitalism developed as a result of the exploitation of the Third World has been so roundly refuted I need not elaborate this here. Just a handy, if incomplete, stats: At most 2% of Europe's GNP at the end of 18th century took the

Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-29 Thread maxsaw
Exploitation or theft have nothing to do with the extent to which colonization fueled capitalist development. What matters are returns in excess of cost. Even thievery is not possible without costs to the perpetrator. ... Sure, but if you only measure the GNP returns of trade, you are

Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-29 Thread maxsaw
Bill, After I responded I realized I may have misunderstood what you and LP said. I agree the colonizer's gain could be more than offset by the victimized country's economic losses, so that we could say in net terms capitalist colonization did not contribute to the world's productive

Re: correction-Blaut-A.G.Frank

1998-01-29 Thread Louis Proyect
Ricardo Duchesne: Oviously the notion that European capitalism developed as a result of the exploitation of the Third World has been so roundly refuted I need not elaborate this here. Just a handy, if incomplete, stats: At most 2% of Europe's GNP at the end of 18th century took the form of