Re: Progressive Usury Citation

1994-03-01 Thread Jim Devine
My impression from Marx is that usury tends to disrupt some pre- capitalist modes of production and to change others in other directions, depending on the nature of the pre-capitalist mode. Thus, isn't it true that usury helped create serfdom in the late Roman empire? This fits with the second

Progressive Usury Citation

1994-02-28 Thread Michael Perelman
Marx, c3 International Publishers 596: "Usury ... exerts ... an undermining and destructive influence on ancient and feudal wealth and ancient and feudal property [I]t undermines and ruins small-peasant and small-burgher production." 597: Usury has a revolutionary effect in all

Re: progressive usury

1994-02-28 Thread Jim Devine
On Sun, 27 Feb 1994 13:36:27 -0500 (EST) Doug Henwood said: Yes I'd be interested in seeing cites on this. I'd prefer a formulation more like bloodsucking leeches, or in Marx's own phrase, fabulous parasites, rather than a progressive force. Does that mean that KM agrees with Michael Jensen and

Progressive Usury Citation

1994-02-28 Thread Michael Perelman
Marx, c3 International Publishers 596: "Usury ... exerts ... an undermining and destructive influence on ancient and feudal wealth and ancient and feudal property [I]t undermines and ruins small-peasant and small-burgher production." 597: Usury has a revolutionary effect in all

Re: progressive usury

1994-02-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Yes I'd be interested in seeing cites on this. I'd prefer a formulation more like bloodsucking leeches, or in Marx's own phrase, fabulous parasites, rather than a progressive force. Does that mean that KM agrees with Michael Jensen and other apologists for the 1980s, who argue that the buyout

Re: progressive usury

1994-02-27 Thread Doug Henwood
Yes I'd be interested in seeing cites on this. I'd prefer a formulation more like bloodsucking leeches, or in Marx's own phrase, fabulous parasites, rather than a progressive force. Does that mean that KM agrees with Michael Jensen and other apologists for the 1980s, who argue that the buyout

progressive usury

1994-02-26 Thread Michael Perelman
One addendum on usury: Marx saw that, even thought it was just M-M', usury could be progressive since it forced producers to increase their surplus. I can dig up citations if anyone is interested. -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel.