Re: [PEN-L] Putin's centralization drive (and gambling in Moscow)

2004-10-25 Thread Chris Doss
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yea . . . but in my mind, probably incorrectly a distinction was drawn between "gambling halls" and the Western and Vegas type Casino's with ultra centralized management, rules, prodders and pay off. I tend toward centralization and standardization of process and produ

Re: [PEN-L] the dollar

2004-10-25 Thread Marvin Gandall
John Exdell wrote: > The same question has occurred to me. In 1971-3 the U.S. assented to an > increase in the price of oil at a time when steep dollar devaluation was > underway. Wouldn't it make sense for the administration to welcome an oil > price increase now, if not too severe, in order to

Re: [PEN-L] Putin's centralization drive (and gambling in Moscow)

2004-10-25 Thread Chris Doss
--- Chris Doss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This conversation is rapidly moving into an area not central to PEN-l's raison d'etre, but anyway Moscow has huge casinos and little gambling halls filled with slot machines. I have never been in one, since I don't gamble. My ex-girlfriend used to work in a

[PEN-L] Gerald Horne on Patrick Bond

2004-10-25 Thread Louis Proyect
(Interesting review of Patrick Bond's books by Gerald Horne, who writes for Political Affairs, a magazine that used to be the CPUSA's official theoreticial journal. In a communication to the swans mailing list, Joel Wendland advised us that the magazine is now independent. However, I would suggest

[PEN-L] The Strange Path of the War on Terrorism

2004-10-25 Thread Perelman, Michael
>From Juan Cole's blog. I googled Ed Seitz, the State Department security official killed by a mortar shell on Sunday. The story of his death at the hands of nativist Iraqi guerrillas is even more complicated and poignant if it is true that he was a crusader against the anti-globalization movemen

[PEN-L] quotation du jour

2004-10-25 Thread Devine, James
"[W]e want to congratulate to Mr. Karzai on the election that he is winning as a result of a large-scale fraud and cheating," (Dr. Yassa, a representative of the Shia Hazara leader Muhammad Mohaqeq, one of the opponents to Karzai in the recent Afghan election, as quoted in the NY TIMES, 10/2

Re: [PEN-L] [Marxism] Gerald Horne on Patrick Bond

2004-10-25 Thread Patrick Bond
- Original Message - From: "Louis Proyect" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Horne on moi: > His works are worth reading, but they contain a major flaw in that, > despite his detailed critiques of these ruling parties and of > Washington, similar consideration of the domestic opposition is > conspicuousl

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [this may be of interest. I am not endorsing it.] Reprinted from : http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/000CA750.htm 22 October 2004 The dismal quackery of eco-economics The notion that economic growth has to be cur

Re: [PEN-L] Battleground: NW Ohio

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Hoover
I read Stonecash's book about class and party. What do you make of it? Among other things, he argues that the D's move to the right is exaggerated, and that there's still a substantial class aspect to partisan allegiance. Both these claims are counter to standard U.S. left wisdom. Doug > i

Re: [PEN-L] Battleground: NW Ohio

2004-10-25 Thread Doug Henwood
Michael Hoover wrote: stuff on south is particularly interesting - more affluent white southerners (many of whom are transplants from elsewhere) have become republicans more so than white working people... I thought it was interesting when he pointed out that in the old days, Southern blacks were f

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Louis Proyect
http://www.spiked-online.com/Articles/000CA750.htm Environmentalist assumptions that, at the very least, should be the subject of debate are unquestioningly accepted. Environmentalism has become central to the mainstream outlook, rather than the particular property of green parties or organi

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Devine, James
Louis, thanks for this. What kind of group is spiked-online? (I get their stuff automatically. Should I put them on my auto-trash list? I remember some good stuff in the past...) Ian, I don't think it helps to launch blanket condemnations of "economists."  Just as LP notes that there are pro

Re: [PEN-L] Battleground: NW Ohio

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Hoover
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/19/2004 6:34:43 PM >>> industrial workers make up a small proportion of the working class, and unionized workers make up a minority of industrial workers. Were it not for AFSCME, NEA, AFT, and SEIU the union movement (in numbers) would be insiginificant. (Hope Michael Hoove

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Devine, James wrote: Louis, thanks for this. What kind of group is spiked-online? (I get their stuff automatically. Should I put them on my auto-trash list? I remember some good stuff in the past...) I actually think that PEN-L'ers should monitor spiked-online carefully. This is a fairly influentia

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: "Devine, James" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ian, I don't think it helps to launch blanket condemnations of "economists." Just as LP notes that there are progressive and Marxian environmentalists, there are also "good" economists. (BTW, I've noticed that it's not just e

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Absolutely. On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 10:42:02AM -0700, Eubulides wrote: > I was making a joke. Is pen-l still a humor free zone? -- Michael Perelman Economics Department California State University Chico, CA 95929 Tel. 530-898-5321 E-Mail michael at ecst.csuchico.edu

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Carl Remick
From: Louis Proyect <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I actually think that PEN-L'ers should monitor spiked-online carefully. This is a fairly influential group in Great Britain Hmm, influential in their own minds maybe. I can't believe they're seen as anything but a lunatic fringe. James Heartfield is one

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread Devine, James
no, but sometimes it's hard to tell what's a joke and what's not. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] & http://myweb.lmu.edu/jdevine > -Original Message- > From: PEN-L list [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Eubulides > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 10:42 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subje

Re: [PEN-L] Battleground: NW Ohio

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Perelman
Donohue, Kathleen G. 2003. Freedom from Want: American Liberalism and the Idea of the Consumer (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press). This book does an excellent job of showing exactly what Michael Hoover suggests. On Mon, Oct 25, 2004 at 01:30:30PM -0400, Michael Hoover wrote: > > fwiw: mi

Re: [PEN-L] Battleground: NW Ohio

2004-10-25 Thread Devine, James
> > fwiw: michael perelman mentioned that early 20th progressives were> > often republicans...call them 'structural' as opposed to 'social'> > reformers, they had faith in ultimate rightness and efficacy of> > capitalist system (many of them had benefitted from it)...they did,> > however, ha

[PEN-L] Programmers at boiling point

2004-10-25 Thread Louis Proyect
Salary Survey: Nearing the Boiling Point IT workers simmer over third year of lackluster raises, but they're not ready to blow -- yet. News Story by Stacy Collett OCTOBER 25, 2004 (COMPUTERWORLD) - After working at a large Midwestern manufacturing company for 22 years, a senior IT design analyst u

Re: [PEN-L] Battleground: NW Ohio

2004-10-25 Thread Joel Blau
Also, social welfare measures on the state level such as workmen's comp and mothers' pensions (the precedessor of AFDC) + the city manager system to reduce corruption/end control of ethnic urban political machines + direct election of the senate (previously done by state legislatures) + the prog

Re: [PEN-L] Programmers at boiling point

2004-10-25 Thread Michael Perelman
The article suggests a number of causes -- outsourcing, corporate slowdown, and corporate screwups. I remember not long ago when people on campus were saying that it would be mathematically impossible to supply enough programmers given the impending demand. Sort of like when I was a freshman and

[PEN-L] More Nomi Prins

2004-10-25 Thread michael perelman
I'm only halfway through Nomi's book, but so far it is terrific. Here is her latest piece from Newsday. <>Also, congratulations to Joel on his new book, which also sounds very interesting. http://www.newsday.com/news/opinion/ny-vppri25a4018486oct25,0,5577448.st ory?coll=ny-viewpoints-headlines CO

[PEN-L] Dialectics/Phil of Math / quantum mechanics

2004-10-25 Thread Charles Brown
I've been mugging up on this too :>) and a physics professor told me: "When I discuss quantum physics, I never refer to an observer, but to the objective recording of an interaction by an instrument. Observation by a human plays no role in the result, so it makes no difference whether humans are

Re: [PEN-L] More Nomi Prins

2004-10-25 Thread Joel Blau
Thanks, Michael. The book actually came out last fall, but its selection as Oxford's book of the day means that they are still pushing it As the academics on this list undoubtedly know, September publication is the worst possible time for a textbook, since faculty have already made their text selec

[PEN-L] As`ad Abukhalil's Petition for Joseph Massad and Academic Freedom

2004-10-25 Thread Yoshie Furuhashi
Sunday, October 24, 2004 To people around the world, please read and sign this petition in support of academic freedoms. I urge you not because it deals with a close friend of mine (Joseph Massad) but because he is being subjected to a very nast

[PEN-L] U.S. Media Blues

2004-10-25 Thread Kenneth Campbell
Interesting doc on CBC Newsworld (like the BBC in the UK, or maybe akin to CNN in the US) ran this eve: "U.S. Media Blues." Newsworld runs a regular series called "The Passionate Eye" -- which runs independent documentaries on all sorts of subjects, from any nation. I am partial to media analysis

Re: [PEN-L] a critique of Enviro-Econ

2004-10-25 Thread paul phillips
Jim, this is interesting in that it is so ignorant, stupid and lacking in any credible fact or argument that it is difficult to believe it was not penned by someone trying to discredit the anti-environmentalists. What I found most interesting is that the claims that he makes -- that environment