Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread Marvin Gandall
Doug H. wrote: On Aug 18, 2007, at 2:09 PM, Marvin Gandall wrote: Or is this all preparation for the Fed going the next step and buying the MBS's outright? Is it limited by law as to what securities it can buy through open market operations or accept as collateral for loans through the

[PEN-L] Pew's political typology of the US population

2007-08-19 Thread Marvin Gandall
Doug Henwood recently posted on LBO a link to an interesting survey from the Pew Research Centre on the political attitudes of different segments of the US population, which I've since had a closer look at. The poll was conducted in December, 2004, following Bush's re-election. Since that time,

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread Doug Henwood
On Aug 19, 2007, at 8:03 AM, Marvin Gandall wrote: Actually, it now appears that the Fed will mop up a lot of those illiquid MBS's and other asset-backed securities - but through the discount window rather than open market operations. The following account of why the Fed cut the discount rate

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread Marvin Gandall
Doug wrote: Hey Marvin, within minutes of the Fed's action I posted this to lbo- talk: [I'm guessing that lowering the discount rate while reaffirming the fed funds rate level is a way to target banks having real funding problems, while not easing up too much for the real economy, where the

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread Doug Henwood
On Aug 19, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Marvin Gandall wrote: And a more reliable source than that Friedmanite Gene Epstein too. Don't know how I missed it. Gene Epstein - ah, the stories I could tell! Doug

[PEN-L] Active duty GI's NY Times op-ed: We are an army of occupation

2007-08-19 Thread Louis Proyect
NY Times, August 19, 2007 Op-Ed Contributors The War as We Saw It By BUDDHIKA JAYAMAHA, WESLEY D. SMITH, JEREMY ROEBUCK, OMAR MORA, EDWARD SANDMEIER, YANCE T. GRAY and JEREMY A. MURPHY Baghdad VIEWED from Iraq at the tail end of a 15-month deployment, the political debate in Washington is

Re: [PEN-L] Counterfeit nation

2007-08-19 Thread sartesian
Dog-man bites man-dog. Twain nailed it in The Gilded Age. Defaults on bonds issued against railroads were numerous before the Civil War. But there's more to capitalism than just a confidence game practiced by con artists on consumer confidence. Fraud causes panic not just because and not

Re: [PEN-L] Counterfeit nation

2007-08-19 Thread Doug Henwood
On Aug 19, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Louis Proyect quoted: America’s reliance on dubious credit goes all the way back to the country’s founding. No kidding. I just happen to be in the middle of reading Matthew Josephson's The Robber Barons. Man, when those guys had a takeover battle, they took

Re: [PEN-L] Amartya Sen on India

2007-08-19 Thread Jim Devine
Anthony D'Costa wrote: Speaking about Singapore and East Asian economies, capitalism they follow no doubt and most bristle at the mention of marxist, socialist yet they do practice a variety of socialistic policies, meaning regulate the markets to meet certain social outcomes. One of my

Re: [PEN-L] Counterfeit nation

2007-08-19 Thread Carrol Cox
If I recall correctly, John D., Sr. in his early days had the oil wells of competitors in Ohio dynamited. Is that correct, and are any details on it in Josephson's book? Doug Henwood wrote: On Aug 19, 2007, at 10:08 AM, Louis Proyect quoted: America’s reliance on dubious credit goes all

Re: [PEN-L] Counterfeit nation

2007-08-19 Thread Doug Henwood
On Aug 19, 2007, at 1:06 PM, Carrol Cox wrote: If I recall correctly, John D., Sr. in his early days had the oil wells of competitors in Ohio dynamited. Is that correct, and are any details on it in Josephson's book? Don't recall reading that but I'm only about halfway through. If I come

Re: [PEN-L] Counterfeit nation

2007-08-19 Thread Jim Devine
Carrol Cox wrote: If I recall correctly, John D., Sr. in his early days had the oil wells of competitors in Ohio dynamited. Is that correct, and are any details on it in Josephson's book? Hacker's TRIUMPH OF AMERICAN CAPITALISM has this kind of story. I don't have it here, however. (A

Re: [PEN-L] Amartya Sen on India

2007-08-19 Thread Gassler Robert
The standard definition in comparative economics is that socialism is state (collective?) ownership of capital goods, capitalism is private ownership of capital goods. This is distinct from the dimension of coordination, which can be through markets, commmand, or tradition. Anthony D'Costa

Re: [PEN-L] Counterfeit nation

2007-08-19 Thread Eugene Coyle
I don't know if it is correct. Ida Tarbell;s book on the history of the Standard Oil company seems a more likely source. Been a long time since I've seen either book. Wasn't it on this list recently that a news item appeared, announcing the death of the last surviror of the Ludlow

[PEN-L] crossword politics

2007-08-19 Thread Jim Devine
Looking at Saturday's L.A. TIMES crossword puzzle, either the author (Bob Peoples) or the editors (Rich Norris and Joyce Nichols Lewis) must be an ex-socialist. why socialist? because who else knows the Engels edited two volumes of CAPITAL? and, more crucially, who else knows the author of

Re: [PEN-L] Amartya Sen on India

2007-08-19 Thread raghu
On 8/19/07, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony D'Costa wrote: Speaking about Singapore and East Asian economies, capitalism they follow no doubt and most bristle at the mention of marxist, socialist yet they do practice a variety of socialistic policies, meaning regulate the

[PEN-L] Newscasters in the news

2007-08-19 Thread The Buffalo In Da' Midst
Newscasters In The News: That's My Guy! - Travus T. Hipp Arrested At Home For Marijuana Peyote Aug 19th, 2007 by The Buffalo In Da' Midst Edit | I had to double-check… Yep! archive dot org, 8/16/07 8/17/07. He never missed a broadcast. Hipp's (sic) was elected last

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread raghu
On 8/19/07, Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Marvin, within minutes of the Fed's action I posted this to lbo- talk: [I'm guessing that lowering the discount rate while reaffirming the fed funds rate level is a way to target banks having real funding problems, while not easing up

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread Doug Henwood
On Aug 19, 2007, at 6:54 PM, raghu wrote: And it didn't cost you a dime. Doug It doesn't seem like many people on PEN-L agree with me on this, but this depends on the debatable assumption that an open line of credit to the big banks costs nothing. I meant the expert Fed-watching (i.e.,

Re: [PEN-L] Newscasters in the news

2007-08-19 Thread Dan Scanlan
On Aug 19, 2007, at 3:49 PM, The Buffalo In Da' Midst wrote: Newscasters In The News: That's My Guy! - Travus T. Hipp Arrested At Home For Marijuana Peyote Leigh, Thanks for the heads up. We need to circle the wagons when the fascist strike. Dan

[PEN-L] Encounters with the FBI

2007-08-19 Thread Louis Proyect
While going through some old papers this weekend, I came across my FBI files obtained through the Freedom of Information Act in early 1979. With the Democrats in Congress giving George W. Bush the right to use the FBI against the American people, it might be useful to share some of my FBI

Re: [PEN-L] Amartya Sen on India

2007-08-19 Thread Anthony D'Costa
In Singapore roughly about 85% of its residents (excluding expatriate and foreign workers) own their own housing. This in itself has done quite a bit for income distribution... Jim writes: what is the origin of this program? was it due to class struggle from below, with workers fighting for

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread raghu
On 8/19/07, Doug Henwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Aug 19, 2007, at 6:54 PM, raghu wrote: And it didn't cost you a dime. Doug It doesn't seem like many people on PEN-L agree with me on this, but this depends on the debatable assumption that an open line of credit to the big banks

Re: [PEN-L] crossword politics

2007-08-19 Thread Sandwichman
Didn't Peoples used to be a euphemism for socialist, as in Peoples Republic of China? On 8/19/07, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at Saturday's L.A. TIMES crossword puzzle, either the author (Bob Peoples) or the editors (Rich Norris and Joyce Nichols Lewis) must be an

Re: [PEN-L] Waiting for the end of the world

2007-08-19 Thread Sandwichman
Waiting IS the end of the world. -- Sandwichman

Re: [PEN-L] crossword politics

2007-08-19 Thread Jim Devine
or the Peoples World newspaper (now part of the Peoples Daily World, if it still exists. On 8/19/07, Sandwichman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Didn't Peoples used to be a euphemism for socialist, as in Peoples Republic of China? On 8/19/07, Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at