Re: [PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-22 Thread Michael Perelman
I appreciate Michael Hoover.s response. I asked my question because I did not have any recollection of conservative handwringing after the Goldwater defeat. Instead conservatives became more determined rather than wondering if they should become more like the Democrats. -- Michael Perelman

Re: [PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-20 Thread michael a. lebowitz
Anyone remember the old Robert Wyatt song commenting on Martin Jacques and his Marxism Today gang--- 'They say the working class is dead, we're all consumers now' ? m At 23:58 19/11/2004, you wrote: The only show in town The left, as history knew it, is dead - and it will not be

Re: [PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-20 Thread Carl Remick
The left, as history knew it, is dead - and it will not be reborn Martin Jacques Saturday November 20, 2004 The Guardian But how can history know anything, having itself expired years ago? Oops, even Francis Fukuyama himself now admits he was full of it when he was prattling on about the end of

Re: [PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-20 Thread Devine, James
I don't know that song, but Frere Jacques seems to regret that now. Jim Devine [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://myweb.lmu.edu/jdevine From: PEN-L list on behalf of michael a. lebowitz Sent: Fri 11/19/2004 8:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PEN-L] the end

Re: [PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-20 Thread Devine, James
Martin Jacques writes:The spectacle of a Labour prime minister becoming the water-carrier, mouthpiece, bed-fellow and intimate of the most rightwing president of the United States in the last half-century is hard to believe: indeed, five years ago it would have been unbelievable. I've been

[PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-19 Thread Eubulides
The only show in town The left, as history knew it, is dead - and it will not be reborn Martin Jacques Saturday November 20, 2004 The Guardian The spectacle of a Labour prime minister becoming the water-carrier, mouthpiece, bed-fellow and intimate of the most rightwing president of the United

Re: [PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-19 Thread Michael Perelman
Michael Pollack others: How did the Right discuss its future right after Goldwater's defeat? What sort of narrative did they offer. Since Ian sent this story from the Guardian, I would like some information on 2 other stories from the paper. Can the Blair impleachment move really start a

Re: [PEN-L] the end of the left....

2004-11-19 Thread Eubulides
- Original Message - From: Michael Perelman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Michael Pollack others: How did the Right discuss its future right after Goldwater's defeat? What sort of narrative did they offer. Since Ian sent this story from the Guardian, I would like some information on 2 other