Phalanx has started, and I need perl-qa's help

2003-08-21 Thread Andy Lester
The Phalanx project has started its rampup to an official announcement. Phalanx is going to beef up the tests, coverage and docs on Perl and 100 heavily-used modules from CPAN. The project page is at http://qa.perl.org/phalanx/. Please take a look, tell me your thoughts, and if there are any

Re: blocks and subplans again

2003-08-21 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 10:19:35PM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: > ok 1.2.3 allows this > > ok 1.1.1 > ok 1.2.1 > ok 1.1.2 > ok 1.2.2 > > so if people use the Test::AtRuntime they can also execute those tests at test > time, just allocate subblock 1.* to all the runtime tests. They will appear > in

Re: blocks and subplans again

2003-08-21 Thread Fergal Daly
ok 1.2.3 allows this ok 1.1.1 ok 1.2.1 ok 1.1.2 ok 1.2.2 so if people use the Test::AtRuntime they can also execute those tests at test time, just allocate subblock 1.* to all the runtime tests. They will appear in the output, intermixed with all your other tests but they will not interfere wi

Re: blocks and subplans again

2003-08-21 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:17:39PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Not if you introduce an end tag (though I'd rather not). Why not? I'd like the ability to specify a variant of no plan that is roughly "it ain't over until the fat lady sings" and then if I don't print out a singing fat lady as

Re: blocks and subplans again

2003-08-21 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 02:39:56PM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: > Full nesting requires more state to be held and as it stands, doesn't help in > your example below. It could be altered to support it though by adding > support for standalone sub blocks, ie where the harness should temporarily > for

Re: Existing books on testing?

2003-08-21 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 08:34:44AM -0500, Danny R. Faught wrote: > Michael G Schwern wrote: > >What books out there are of use for those wanting to learn Perl testing? > >They don't necessarily have to be specificly about *Perl* testing. > >I've put up a Wiki page to generate a listing. > >http://w

Re: blocks and subplans again

2003-08-21 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 02:38:03PM +0100, Fergal Daly wrote: > 1 problem here is that you have not indicated anywhere how many times you will > be extending the plan Some sort of *optional* way to specify that would be nice. > > The former has the large disadvange of requiring all subtests to b

Re: Existing books on testing?

2003-08-21 Thread Adam Turoff
On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 09:46:07PM -0500, Danny R. Faught wrote: > Re: The Craft of Software Testing... > > Adam Turoff wrote: > >It's out of print and nearly impossible to find. I haven't read it yet, > >so I can't say whether it is as seminal as McBreen says it is. > > Interesting - bn.com c

Re: blocks and subplans again

2003-08-21 Thread Fergal Daly
On Wednesday 20 August 2003 22:19, Michael G Schwern wrote: > That's subtests having overall test state. Ideally don't want the subtests > to have *any* awareness that they're being run as a subtest. The state is held in the Test::Builder object just as currently, it's just that that object has

Re: blocks and subplans again

2003-08-21 Thread Fergal Daly
On Wednesday 20 August 2003 22:14, Michael G Schwern wrote: > 1..2 > ok 1 > 1..3 > ok 1 > ok 2 > ok 3 > 3..1 > ok 2 1 problem here is that you have not indicated anywhere how many times you will be extending the plan so maybe there's a 1..9 ok 1 ... ok 9 missing off the end, there's no way to

Re: Existing books on testing?

2003-08-21 Thread Danny R. Faught
Michael G Schwern wrote: What books out there are of use for those wanting to learn Perl testing? They don't necessarily have to be specificly about *Perl* testing. I've put up a Wiki page to generate a listing. http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/cgi-bin/perl-qa-wiki.cgi?TestingBooks Where is this page