Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread Kirrily Robert
I'm with Aristotle. I think it's an urge that's come out of the development community -- specifically, *certain* development communities -- rather than from an end-user desire for quality. Many of the best -tested pieces of software are the infrastructure type things that only developers

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread chromatic
On Wednesday 01 March 2006 03:27, Jeffrey Thalhammer wrote: > Thanks for this. I've heard the term "Technical Debt" > a few times lately and I really like it. Unlike a > financial debt however, there is a possibility that > the principal and interest won't have to be paid. A > poor implementati

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Dominique Quatravaux <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-01 14:20]: >Yours is a *very* interesting bookmark collection. Do you have >more? I have a collection at . Disclaimer: it’s far from complete, of course. I try to keep to really meaty stuff, so less gets added than

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread Dominique Quatravaux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A. Pagaltzis wrote: > > It has to be *REALLY* awful though. See Joel Spolsky on rewriting > from scratch[1] (the gist: *never* do it!). > > [1]: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/fog69.html > > [...] If you want to equip programmers to ta

Re: Best practice for version control of locally installed CPAN modules

2006-03-01 Thread Smylers
Michael Peters writes: > Krang keeps a local copy of all of the CPAN modules it uses in it's > source repo. Also, each module is installed locally to krang so that > it can be installed without affecting an existing installation. ... We've used software that does things like that; I think the OT

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Thalhammer
> If you want to equip programmers to talk to > management, don’t > forget to give them this link: > http://www.martinfowler.com/bliki/TechnicalDebt.html Thanks for this. I've heard the term "Technical Debt" a few times lately and I really like it. Unlike a financial debt however, there is a p

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* Jeffrey Thalhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-01 11:05]: >>> By lowering maintenance costs via quality control, managers >>> can avoid (or at least postpone) having to scrap their entire >>> system and rebuild from scratch in India. >> >> I think this is a bit of a stretch. > >I'm in the middl

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Thalhammer
> If you're talking to a bunch of perl mongers I > recommend talking about > perl instead of spouting management-speak. The > Republic Of Ireland has > nothing to do with perl programming. I can appreciate that, but I have to believe that no one likes writing crappy code. And more so, no one l

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread David Cantrell
Jeffrey Thalhammer wrote: Is that still too much of a stretch? Should I forget about the outsourcing stuff and just focus on the ROI aspects? If you're talking to a bunch of perl mongers I recommend talking about perl instead of spouting management-speak. The Republic Of Ireland has nothin

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Thalhammer
> >By lowering maintenance costs via quality control, > managers can > >avoid (or at least postpone) having to scrap their > entire system > >and rebuild from scratch in India. > > I think this is a bit of a stretch. I'm in the middle of one such situation. I have inherited a 500k line legacy sy

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread demerphq
On 3/1/06, A. Pagaltzis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In my experience it has more to do with the particular > programming community. In Java and Perl, there is a lot of > emphasis on testing. I don't know about its prevalence in the > Ruby or Python or other communities, but there is definitely > a

Re: Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread A. Pagaltzis
Hi Jeffrey, * Jeffrey Thalhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-01 09:40]: >By lowering maintenance costs via quality control, managers can >avoid (or at least postpone) having to scrap their entire system >and rebuild from scratch in India. I think this is a bit of a stretch. >Can you think of an

Trends in Code Quality

2006-03-01 Thread Jeffrey Thalhammer
Hello everyone- I'm working on a presentation of Perl::Critic for the local perlmongers group. As part of the presentation, I would like to make some comments about the current industry trends around software quality. Basically, I'd like to assert that there is a growing emphasis on software qua