RE: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread Jan Dubois
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, David Golden wrote: > Steve Peters wrote: > > The problem was that newer Scalar-List-Utils uses an internal Perl > > function that Windows does not see as an exported function. This was > > changed with Perl 5.8.8. Once ActiveState releases a Perl 5.8.8, > > they should be able

Re: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread Philippe M. Chiasson
David Golden wrote: > So back at the beginning of February, there was some email traffic about > how ActiveState's automated PPM build system was using an outdated > version of Scalar-List-Utils, which was causing a cascading prerequisite > failure for many distributions. > > Has anyone heard a

Re: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread David Golden
Philippe M. Chiasson wrote: It's not that simple a problem, exactly. The PPM build servers are all running one the first ActivePerl release for that platform. That way, forward binary compatibility can be guaranteed going forward. I wondered if that was the cause of it. Still, that means that

Re: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread Randy W. Sims
David Golden wrote: Steve Peters wrote: The problem was that newer Scalar-List-Utils uses an internal Perl function that Windows does not see as an exported function. This was changed with Perl 5.8.8. Once ActiveState releases a Perl 5.8.8, they should be able to upgrade the version of Scalar-

Re: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread David Golden
Steve Peters wrote: The problem was that newer Scalar-List-Utils uses an internal Perl function that Windows does not see as an exported function. This was changed with Perl 5.8.8. Once ActiveState releases a Perl 5.8.8, they should be able to upgrade the version of Scalar-List-Utils that they

Re: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread Tyler MacDonald
David Golden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > So back at the beginning of February, there was some email traffic about > how ActiveState's automated PPM build system was using an outdated > version of Scalar-List-Utils, which was causing a cascading prerequisite > failure for many distributions. >

Re: Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread Steve Peters
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:12:43PM -0500, David Golden wrote: > So back at the beginning of February, there was some email traffic about > how ActiveState's automated PPM build system was using an outdated > version of Scalar-List-Utils, which was causing a cascading prerequisite > failure for m

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Andrew Savige
--- Tyler MacDonald wrote: > Well so far the only ones I've seen are "eg", "examples", and from that > renegade GD::Graph, "samples". And from that eccentric Acme::Bleach, "demo". /-\ On yahoo!7 Avatars: Dress up like yo

Activestate and Scalar-List-Utils

2006-03-14 Thread David Golden
So back at the beginning of February, there was some email traffic about how ActiveState's automated PPM build system was using an outdated version of Scalar-List-Utils, which was causing a cascading prerequisite failure for many distributions. Has anyone heard any updates on this? Does anyon

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Tels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > And packages without any actual packages, like wikimedia-graph. > > But I am not sure if the agreed-on last suggestions were even implemented, > or anything else done: http://cpants.dev.zsi.at/ was last updated > 2005-12-05, e.g. over three months ago :(

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Tels
Moin, On Tuesday 14 March 2006 18:47, Tyler MacDonald wrote: > Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > /eg scripts are a nice "hands-on" way of finding out how a module > > > works in real life. > > > > > > No distribution should be without one! > > > > Unless, of course, it has an examples/

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Tyler MacDonald
Steve Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > /eg scripts are a nice "hands-on" way of finding out how a module works > > in real life. > > > > No distribution should be without one! > Unless, of course, it has an examples/ directory, which would cause the > kwalitee test to fail. ;) I do think i

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* David Landgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-14 16:55]: >No distribution should be without one! Proc::Fork would definitely not benefit from an eg/ directory. Regards, -- Aristotle Pagaltzis //

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread A. Pagaltzis
* David Landgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-03-14 19:05]: >Plus, the code cut and pasted from Synopses winds up with 8 >space leading indents or whatever, that you have to strip out >and/or you forget to turn off vi's auto indenting so you have >this massive staircase effect and the last line starts

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 14 March 2006 10:02, David Landgren wrote: > Plus, the code cut and pasted from Synopses winds up with 8 space > leading indents or whatever, that you have to strip out and/or you > forget to turn off vi's auto indenting so you have this massive > staircase effect and the last line star

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread H.Merijn Brand
On Tue, 14 Mar 2006 16:52:18 +0100, David Landgren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hey! It's been over two months since we last had one of these suggestions! > > I did battle with a module that shall remain nameless the other day. I > had a difficult time figuring out how to use it. In times like t

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread David Landgren
Tels wrote: Moin, My modules are usually so feature crammed that they need a few examples for showing what you can all do with it or to enable the user oto use the modul without having to write/use perl code first. Plus, the code cut and pasted from Synopses winds up with 8 space leading i

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Nicholas Clark
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 12:48:52PM -0500, David Golden wrote: > Adam Kennedy wrote: > >For all those component distributions I consider it a failure if it is > >so complex that you need something more than just three or four lines > >from the SYNOPSIS. > > Maybe there should be a Kwalitee metric

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread David Landgren
Steve Peters wrote: On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:52:18PM +0100, David Landgren wrote: [...] /eg scripts are a nice "hands-on" way of finding out how a module works in real life. No distribution should be without one! Unless, of course, it has an examples/ directory, which would cause the

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread David Golden
Adam Kennedy wrote: For all those component distributions I consider it a failure if it is so complex that you need something more than just three or four lines from the SYNOPSIS. Maybe there should be a Kwalitee metric for the length of the synopsis? :-) Regards, David Golden

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Tels
Moin, David Landgren wrote: > Hey! It's been over two months since we last had one of these > suggestions! > > I did battle with a module that shall remain nameless the other day. > I had a difficult time figuring out how to use it. In times like > these, I like being about to go to the build dire

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Adam Kennedy
David Landgren wrote: Hey! It's been over two months since we last had one of these suggestions! I did battle with a module that shall remain nameless the other day. I had a difficult time figuring out how to use it. In times like these, I like being about to go to the build directory and p(aw

Re: New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread Steve Peters
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 04:52:18PM +0100, David Landgren wrote: > Hey! It's been over two months since we last had one of these suggestions! > > I did battle with a module that shall remain nameless the other day. I > had a difficult time figuring out how to use it. In times like these, I > like

New kwalitee metric - eg/ directory

2006-03-14 Thread David Landgren
Hey! It's been over two months since we last had one of these suggestions! I did battle with a module that shall remain nameless the other day. I had a difficult time figuring out how to use it. In times like these, I like being about to go to the build directory and p(aw|ore) through the eg/

RE: "Erroneous" CPAN Testers Reports

2006-03-14 Thread Jerry D. Hedden
Adam Kennedy wrote: > Part of the problem comes in defining "bogus". This is a red herring. Consider the original proposal: If a tester sends in a 'updated' report (matching all the appropriate criteria), then the update should overwrite/mask the original. There is no need to define the criteri

Re: "Erroneous" CPAN Testers Reports

2006-03-14 Thread demerphq
On 3/14/06, Adam Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Even better would be adding two more states so that you can > > distinguish between prereq-failure, build-failure, test-failure and > > ok. > > Well actually I tried to sit down the other day and work out how many > distinct types of success

Re: "Erroneous" CPAN Testers Reports

2006-03-14 Thread Yuval Kogman
On Tue, Mar 14, 2006 at 23:04:02 +1100, Adam Kennedy wrote: > > >Even better would be adding two more states so that you can > >distinguish between prereq-failure, build-failure, test-failure and > >ok. > > Well actually I tried to sit down the other day and work out how many > distinct types of

Re: "Erroneous" CPAN Testers Reports

2006-03-14 Thread Adam Kennedy
Even better would be adding two more states so that you can distinguish between prereq-failure, build-failure, test-failure and ok. Well actually I tried to sit down the other day and work out how many distinct types of success/failure events there might be, for use in PITA. The number came

Re: "Erroneous" CPAN Testers Reports

2006-03-14 Thread demerphq
On 3/14/06, Adam Kennedy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's just that the reporting system has a very limited view of what > should be stamped green, and what should be stamped red. I've never like such breakdowns. Even adding only one more state/color can make it a lot easier to interpret a result

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2006-03-14 Thread Jos Boumans
chromatic wgz.org> writes: > Bogus to me is "cannot install a dependency because, for all I can tell, the > tester has a space somewhere in a directory name somewhere in the path to > Perl and the tester's operating system and command shell just can't cope with > this." > > That's well beyond