I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 10:48:38 David Golden wrote: Instead of the annoyance of authors writing warn $foo and exit 0, now they'll need to use configure_requires in META.yml to demand an up-to-date version of Module::Build.  And it still won't work on an older Perl with an older CPAN or

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread David Golden
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... but every time I see yet another arcane cantrip to add to my projects to work around brokenness in CPAN Testers clients, a little bit more of my motivation to care slips away. You only need one and you'll never need to

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread Graham Barr
On Sep 2, 2008, at 2:04 PM, David Golden wrote: On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 2:24 PM, chromatic [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... but every time I see yet another arcane cantrip to add to my projects to work around brokenness in CPAN Testers clients, a little bit more of my motivation to care slips

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread David Cantrell
On Tue, Sep 02, 2008 at 02:53:30PM -0500, Graham Barr wrote: I would contest that the Makefile.PL or Build.PL cannot be known to be a failure of the distribution, so the Artificial Intelligence that you have programmed into CPAN testers is flawed. That's why I default to *not*

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread David Golden
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Graham Barr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: exit if $ENV{AUTOMATED_TESTING}; Which removed the usefulness of those that do testing correctly and submit useful reports My point was that authors can opt-out if keeping up is too annoying. I would hope that authors

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread chromatic
On Tuesday 02 September 2008 14:09:04 David Golden wrote: Remember -- this whole thread started with why exit 0?  Is that really too much to ask an author with particularly unusual requirements to learn and use? Changing the way some 6000 registered authors work to meet the needs of one

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread Andy Lester
On Sep 2, 2008, at 4:23 PM, chromatic wrote: Changing the way some 6000 registered authors work to meet the needs of one particular domain purportedly for their benefit seems to be the wrong way around, at least to me. Does anyone on CPAN Testers have any idea what their constituencies

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-02 22:20]: Can the cpan-testers please get a dedicated list that is not perl-qa? So there is Perl-QA, TAPx-Dev (where I’ve been dragging my feet to subscribe), the IETF TAP list, the Module::Build and CPANPLUS lists, and now cpan-testers-discuss. I am

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread Andy Lester
On Sep 2, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: Seriously? First you say you want them to play in their own sandbox, then you say they’ve never asked anyone? Yes, both of those are true. Posting to a mailing list about how CPAN Testers' internals works is not at all the same as

Re: I Want to Believe in the CPAN (was Re: cpantesters - why exit(0)?)

2008-09-02 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis
* Andy Lester [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-09-03 02:55]: On Sep 2, 2008, at 7:44 PM, Aristotle Pagaltzis wrote: Seriously? First you say you want them to play in their own sandbox, then you say they’ve never asked anyone? Yes, both of those are true. Yes, taking separately and literally, they are