RE: Newbie Question

2004-04-02 Thread Tegels, Kent
5:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Newbie Question On 04/01/04 Goplat wrote: > > I read in the FAQ, vis a vis using the .NET instead of writing your own > > "The .NET VM didn't even exist when we started development, or at least we > > didn't know about i

Re: Newbie Question

2004-04-02 Thread Paolo Molaro
On 04/01/04 Goplat wrote: > > I read in the FAQ, vis a vis using the .NET instead of writing your own > > "The .NET VM didn't even exist when we started development, or at least we > > didn't know about it when we were working on the design. We do now, though > > it's still not suitable." [...] > T

Re: Newbie Question

2004-04-01 Thread Goplat
--- Kent Tegels <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, all, and greetings from Omaha. > > I read in the FAQ, vis a vis using the .NET instead of writing your own > "The .NET VM didn't even exist when we started development, or at least we > didn't know about it when we were working on the design. We

Newbie Question

2004-04-01 Thread Kent Tegels
Hello, all, and greetings from Omaha. I read in the FAQ, vis a vis using the .NET instead of writing your own "The .NET VM didn't even exist when we started development, or at least we didn't know about it when we were working on the design. We do now, though it's still not suitable." I'm curi

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-15 Thread chromatic
On Mon, 2004-03-15 at 04:26, Tim Bunce wrote: > Is someone tracking the mailing list and adding questions and (good) > answers into the FAQ? Whoops, I'd planned to add this opcode question and answer to the FAQ this weekend. Thanks for the reminder, Tim! -- c

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-15 Thread Tim Bunce
On Fri, Mar 12, 2004 at 10:03:19AM -0500, Dan Sugalski wrote: > At 6:06 PM -0500 3/11/04, Matt Greenwood wrote: > >Hi all, > > I have a newbie question. If the answer exists in a doc, just > >point the way (I browsed the docs directory). What is the design > >ratio

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-14 Thread Paolo Molaro
My weekly perusing on parrot lists... On 03/12/04 Dan Sugalski wrote: > For example, if you look you'll see we have 28 binary "add" ops. > .NET, on the other hand, only has one, and most hardware CPUs have a Actually, there are three opcodes: add, add.ovf, add.ovf.un (the last two throw an ex

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Brent \"Dax\" Royal-Gordon
Matt Greenwood wrote: > Firstly, you have made an assumption that the addition here is > equivalent to OR and carry, which may be correct for certain > representations of integral datatypes, but certainly isn't for any > kind of floating point arithmetic that I know of. True enough, but I think I g

RE: newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Matt Greenwood
> How, exactly, is taking two strings, making a third string that's big > enough to contain both, and copying the contents of those two strings > into the third one like taking two numbers, doing a binary OR with > carry, and storing the result in a third number? Firstly, you have made an assumpti

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Brent \"Dax\" Royal-Gordon
Matt Greenwood wrote: > why have both concat and > add...? How, exactly, is taking two strings, making a third string that's big enough to contain both, and copying the contents of those two strings into the third one like taking two numbers, doing a binary OR with carry, and storing the result

RE: newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Dan Sugalski
ay, March 12, 2004 2:07 AM To: Matt Greenwood Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: newbie question Matt Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > I have a newbie question. If the answer exists in a doc, just > point the way (I browsed the docs directory). What

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 6:06 PM -0500 3/11/04, Matt Greenwood wrote: Hi all, I have a newbie question. If the answer exists in a doc, just point the way (I browsed the docs directory). What is the design rationale for so many opcodes in parrot? What are the criteria for adding/deleting them? Whether we have a

RE: newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Matt Greenwood
d add...? Matt > -Original Message- > From: Leopold Toetsch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:07 AM > To: Matt Greenwood > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: newbie question > > Matt Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTE

newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Jared Rhine
[Matt == [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Thu, 11 Mar 2004 18:06:56 -0500] Matt> What is the design rationale for so many opcodes in parrot? Completeness and performance. Many of the opcodes are type-specific variants of other multi-type opcodes. Given that 99+% of parrot code will be automatically generat

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-12 Thread Leopold Toetsch
Matt Greenwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi all, > I have a newbie question. If the answer exists in a doc, just > point the way (I browsed the docs directory). What is the design > rationale for so many opcodes in parrot? We have four different register types. They hav

Re: newbie question....

2004-03-11 Thread Karl Brodowsky
Matt Greenwood wrote: I have a newbie question. If the answer exists in a doc, just point the way (I browsed the docs directory). What is the design rationale for so many opcodes in parrot? Let me try as another newbie... ;-) Since the opcodes of parrot are not directly supported by any

newbie question....

2004-03-11 Thread Matt Greenwood
Hi all, I have a newbie question. If the answer exists in a doc, just point the way (I browsed the docs directory). What is the design rationale for so many opcodes in parrot? What are the criteria for adding/deleting them? Thanks

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-19 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "John" == John Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> 1) Methods are always public John> 2) Variables are always private (and in this case that means that other John> instances may not view the instance variables of an object; I don't John> recall whether the class can see the ivars of its

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:26:37AM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > Smalltalk doesn't give you any privacy options, but it does dictate a > certain degree of privacy. Smalltalk is big on "information hiding" as > part of the whole "OOP is an extension of Abstract Data Typing" concept. > > 1) Methods ar

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-16 Thread John Rudd
From: Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 05:49:34PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: >> That way you could choose to impliment Smalltalk or C++ style >> protections (public, private, protected, etc) > >Last I checked Smalltalk had no privacy protection. > >> So, for Smalltalk t

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-15 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 05:49:34PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > So, for example, lets say I have an object $foo, which is an instance of > Class A. In one method, foo tries to access an instance variable of > $bar, an instance of Class B (not inherited from Class A). This is a naughty thing to do.

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-15 Thread John Rudd
Damian Conway wrote: > > Schwern explained: > >> Going away? No way, it's SPREADING! We might wind up with AUTOGLOB, too. >> >> http://dev.perl.org/rfc/324.pod > > Though it won't be called AUTOGLOB (globs *are* going away), > and its semantics might be closer to those portrayed i

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-09 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 06:48 AM 11/9/2001 +, Piers Cawley wrote: >Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At 04:21 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: > >>So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might > >>be coming forth? (I know, I know, here I am, a smalltalker, asking for >

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-09 Thread Piers Cawley
Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 04:21 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: >>So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might >>be coming forth? (I know, I know, here I am, a smalltalker, asking for >>operator overloading ... but, what are the smalltalkers g

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-09 Thread Damian Conway
Schwern explained: > Going away? No way, it's SPREADING! We might wind up with AUTOGLOB, too. > > http://dev.perl.org/rfc/324.pod Though it won't be called AUTOGLOB (globs *are* going away), and its semantics might be closer to those portrayed in: http://www.yetanother.org

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:21:57PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might > be coming forth? Yeah, that was mentioned in Apoc and Exewhatever 3. -- Michael G. Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl6 Quali

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:21 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: >So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might >be coming forth? (I know, I know, here I am, a smalltalker, asking for >operator overloading ... but, what are the smalltalkers gonna do, take >away my membership card?) What,

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread John Rudd
Michael G Schwern wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:56:59PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > > So, I'm reading various things about lots of changes for perl6, and some > > arcane things going away, and stuff like that.. and I suddenly wondered > > if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects (the

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:56:59PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > So, I'm reading various things about lots of changes for perl6, and some > arcane things going away, and stuff like that.. and I suddenly wondered > if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects (the one that keeps me > from migrating t

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 03:56 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: >I suddenly wondered >if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects is going away: >AUTOLOAD. Only over Damian's dead body... :) Dan --"it's like this"--- D

Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread John Rudd
So, I'm reading various things about lots of changes for perl6, and some arcane things going away, and stuff like that.. and I suddenly wondered if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects (the one that keeps me from migrating to tcl or python, cuz I can never find clear information about whe