On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 20:30:36 +0200, Juerd Waalboer wrote:
> A useful, easily installable library bundle does not have to be in the
> core distribution.
>
> Debian already has its own split between perl and perl-modules. This is
> a great scheme that allows Debian to use Perl in the base system,
>
On Monday 25 June 2007 00:57:18 Hakim Cassimally wrote:
> Releasing a language without a useful, easily installable library bundle
> could quite reasonably be construed as a stupid business practice.
Of course. Yet some dozen years later, the argument for keeping interfaces
such as File::Find (
Hakim Cassimally skribis 2007-06-25 9:57 (+0200):
> Releasing a language without a useful, easily installable library bundle
> could quite reasonably be construed as a stupid business practice.
A useful, easily installable library bundle does not have to be in the
core distribution.
Debian alrea
How about a Bundle::Common?
Streamline both the core and the inclusion of the most commonly used
modules? The core does include the CPAN module, right?
Personally, I *prefer* grabbing what I need piecemeal, but I understand
making it easy if possible
--- Luke Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
On 6/25/07, Peter Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I will just voice my support for putting best-of-breed modules for very
common tasks (CGI, DBI for sure) in the core.
Of course, then you get the disadvantage that most users will see new
versions of those modules as often (or seldom, as it wer
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 09:57:18 +0200, Hakim Cassimally wrote:
> On 23/06/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07:35 Chas Owens wrote:
>>
>> > Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bare Perl 6 and
>> > Perl 6. Many companies have a "Only Core Perl" polic
On 23/06/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07:35 Chas Owens wrote:
> Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bare Perl 6 and
> Perl 6. Many companies have a "Only Core Perl" policy. They refuse
> to install CPAN modules because "We don't trust them".
Getting back to the Web Module,
the following could help a lot
if there were in the core or as a 'core' downloadable bundle :
- DBI
- ORM system
- Caching system
- Sessions (server side cookies)
- XML parser
- JSON parser
I guess that it will be fair enough for actual web apps.
templating system
The fact that you'll be able to do that in Perl6 excites me. One of the
things I use with the existing Perl5 unfortunately at times, is
commercial software which compiles Perl code into various Microsoft
formats: services, system tray icons, dll's and executables.
That proved to be extremely va
On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07:35 Chas Owens wrote:
> Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bare Perl 6 and
> Perl 6. Many companies have a "Only Core Perl" policy. They refuse
> to install CPAN modules because "We don't trust them".
On Friday 22 June 2007 11:07:35 Chas Owens wrote:
> Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bare Perl 6 and
> Perl 6. Many companies have a "Only Core Perl" policy. They refuse
> to install CPAN modules because "We don't trust them".
I think of this the same way I think of "Do not
On 6/22/07, jerry gay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/22/07, Chas Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Most of the time the policy is enacted by lower-case-l lazy sysadmins
> who can't be bothered to type
>
> perl -MCPAN -e install Foo::Bar
>
> My normal route around them is to install the module i
On 6/22/07, Chas Owens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Most of the time the policy is enacted by lower-case-l lazy sysadmins
who can't be bothered to type
perl -MCPAN -e install Foo::Bar
My normal route around them is to install the module into the home
directory of the user who is going to run the
On 6/22/07, Daniel Hulme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 02:07:35PM -0400, Chas Owens wrote:
> On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules
> >should be those required to install other modules.
> Plea
On Fri, Jun 22, 2007 at 02:07:35PM -0400, Chas Owens wrote:
> On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules
> >should be those required to install other modules.
> Please, god, no. Or at least make two distributions: Bar
On 6/22/07, chromatic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Thursday 21 June 2007 15:23:38 Smylers wrote:
> Has Larry yet decreed whether Web will be bundled with Perl 6?
I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules should
be those required to install other modules.
-- c
Pl
On Thursday 21 June 2007 15:23:38 Smylers wrote:
> Has Larry yet decreed whether Web will be bundled with Perl 6?
I also like to proceed from the assumption that the only core modules should
be those required to install other modules.
-- c
Darren Duncan writes:
> At 11:23 PM +0100 6/21/07, Smylers wrote:
>
> > Has Larry yet decreed whether Web will be bundled with Perl 6?
>
> I believe that what Larry has said is that there are no official core
> modules, ... So ... not something to worry about now.
Thanks for that, Darren.
Smyl
Juerd Waalboer writes:
> Smylers skribis 2007-06-21 23:23 (+0100):
>
> > Of course. But there's a big difference between the attitude of
> > 'let's do the best we can right now' and 'this is our one chance to
> > do this right'.
>
> I think that for some things, mainly for setting community sta
At 11:23 PM +0100 6/21/07, Smylers wrote:
Has Larry yet decreed whether Web will be bundled with Perl 6?
I believe that what Larry has said is that there are no official core
modules, but that people who distribute Perl can bundle whatever they
want, and that such choice was to be encouraged.
Smylers skribis 2007-06-21 23:23 (+0100):
> Of course. But there's a big difference between the attitude of 'let's
> do the best we can right now' and 'this is our one chance to do this
> right'.
I think that for some things, mainly for setting community standards
(Web, POD, ...), this is our one
Moritz Lenz writes:
> Smylers wrote:
>
> > Moritz Lenz writes:
> >
> > > Web is hopefully "CGI done right"
> >
> > ... why are we hoping that it will be "done right"?
>
> Because we hope we learned from the past. There are several other
> modules that fullfill most of CGI's tasks, some of th
Smylers wrote:
> Moritz Lenz writes:
>
>> You could help by contributing some suggestions to what the new "Web"
>> module should be able to do, and how so. Web is hopefully "CGI done
>> right", and still in its early planning stage.
>
> Web module? This is the first I've heard of it. Where is
Darren Duncan writes:
> At 6:37 PM +0100 6/21/07, Smylers wrote:
>
> > Web module? This is the first I've heard of it. Where is it being
> > planned, if not on this list?
>
> It was being discussed on the perl6-users list, last year.
Thanks.
Smylers
At 6:37 PM +0100 6/21/07, Smylers wrote:
Moritz Lenz writes:
> You could help by contributing some suggestions to what the new "Web"
module should be able to do, and how so. Web is hopefully "CGI done
right", and still in its early planning stage.
Web module? This is the first I've heard o
Moritz Lenz writes:
> You could help by contributing some suggestions to what the new "Web"
> module should be able to do, and how so. Web is hopefully "CGI done
> right", and still in its early planning stage.
Web module? This is the first I've heard of it. Where is it being
planned, if not on
You should discuss that on p5p, not here. Only Perl 6 is on topic here.
Sure, but I've started from perl doc 5.8 in order to say that it could be nice
to have the features I'm talking about in perl6 so it's not out of the scope I guess.
it seems to me that you already have this : in line of
A: because it disrupts the natural way of thinking.
Q: Why is top posting frowned upon?
cdumont wrote:
> Perl 6 is not yet finished, so the the list of core modules is not yet
> specified.
>
>
> I know that it is somehow not the subject,
> but I think the actual 5.8 doc should be changed to some
2007/6/20, cdumont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
I know that it is somehow not the subject,
but I think the actual 5.8 doc should be changed to some extents.
snip
AND so that it could be a lot richer, allow people to "comment"...
Well you can't comment it (CPAN Annotate allow you to comment the doc
of
Thank you for your kind reply !
Perl 6 is not yet finished, so the the list of core modules is not yet
specified.
I know that it is somehow not the subject,
but I think the actual 5.8 doc should be changed to some extents.
It could be nice if we could browse each core functions,
having the func
cdumont wrote:
> I know that perl doesn't only focus on web apps and my question might
> seem irrelevant
> but I've been searching the web in order to find the new features of
> perl6 regarding
> new functions, core module lists (not perl grammar itself) but couldn't
> find any thing...
Perl 6
Hi everyone,
I am working with perl 5.8 at the moment after developping web apps in PHP.
I know that perl doesn't only focus on web apps and my question might
seem irrelevant
but I've been searching the web in order to find the new features of
perl6 regarding
new functions, core module lists
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