Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-30 Thread TSa
HaloO, John M. Dlugosz wrote: TSa Thomas.Sandlass-at-barco.com |Perl 6| wrote: multi infix:<=> (Any $lhs, A $rhs) { $lhs.STORE($rhs.clone); # or .cow if that's not automatic } $lhs.VAR.STORE. I guess I also forgot the is rw to get a binding to the caller's container not

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-30 Thread TSa
HaloO, Daniel Ruoso wrote: [ I'm using this message to reply, because I didn't receive your reply... I'm taking it from the list history... There really seems to be something wrong with this list... ] I see all your messages arrive twice. This is not specced apparently to leave room for dec

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Ter, 2008-04-29 às 14:21 +0200, TSa escreveu: > Daniel Ruoso wrote: > > Not really... 'does' is a composition operation, 'realises' would be > > just a type annotation that doesn't change the actual composition. > OK, but that is not in the spec yet. To me that is like the > proposed 'like' operato

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread Daniel Ruoso
[ I'm using this message to reply, because I didn't receive your reply... I'm taking it from the list history... There really seems to be something wrong with this list... ] TSa wrote: > BTW, is WHICH globally unique? Or is that also an > implementation detail? This is not specced apparently to

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread John M. Dlugosz
TSa Thomas.Sandlass-at-barco.com |Perl 6| wrote: multi infix:<=> (Any $lhs, A $rhs) { $lhs.STORE($rhs.clone); # or .cow if that's not automatic } $lhs.VAR.STORE. My readings have been that = just copies the ref. Unless it's a "value type" or "immutable" which just means

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread John M. Dlugosz
TSa Thomas.Sandlass-at-barco.com |Perl 6| wrote: HaloO, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Not really... 'does' is a composition operation, 'realises' would be just a type annotation that doesn't change the actual composition. OK, but that is not in the spec yet. To me that is like the proposed 'like' opera

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread TSa
HaloO, Daniel Ruoso wrote: So... class A { has $.a; method inc { $.a++ } }; $a = A.new( a => 0); $b = $a; $b.inc(); $a.inc(); say $a.a; # 2 say $b.a; # 2 Will work as expected. Depends a bit on one's expectations :) So infix:<=> has shallow copy semantics.

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread TSa
HaloO, Daniel Ruoso wrote: Not really... 'does' is a composition operation, 'realises' would be just a type annotation that doesn't change the actual composition. OK, but that is not in the spec yet. To me that is like the proposed 'like' operator but with the programmer taking full responsibi

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Ter, 2008-04-29 às 11:54 +0200, TSa escreveu: > > If we are to define an operator to declare that some arbitrary object > > conforms to some API, I would think the following as saner... > > sub foo(Point $p) {...}; > > FoxPoint $fp = ...; > > $fp realises Point; > > foo($fp); > Here the spec is q

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Ter, 2008-04-29 às 09:28 +0200, TSa escreveu: > The thing is the .^does traverses the meta information > to find the *named* concept Point. The FoxPoint in John's > example doesn't have that and thus nominally fails the > Point test. The idea is now to also have .^does *might* traverse the infor

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread TSa
HaloO, Daniel Ruoso wrote: .^does *might* traverse the information as well as simply return true if the object says so. Let's not regard the problem of meta level interoperation for now. That is we have *one* meta level. The spec says that .^does asks this meta system. Now the meta system does

Re: Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-29 Thread TSa
HaloO, Daniel Ruoso wrote: hrmm... I might just be overlooking something... but... sub foo (Point $p) {...} means... $signature ~~ $capture means... Point $p := $capture[0] means... $capture[0] ~~ Point means... $capture[0].^does(Point) The thing is the .^does traverses the meta info

Polymorphism and Representations (Was: Re: First look: Advanced Polymorphism whitepaper)

2008-04-28 Thread Daniel Ruoso
Seg, 2008-04-28 às 10:15 -0700, Jon Lang escreveu: > Ah; that clears things up considerably. If I understand you > correctly, John is using '£' to mean "use Duck Typing here". _That_, > I can definitely see uses for. hrmm... I might just be overlooking something... but... sub foo (Point $p) {.