Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Szymon Guz
On 7 May 2013 03:54, Uwe Schroeder wrote: > On Mon, 05/06/2013 05:51:00 PM Scott Marlowe wrote: > > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Misa Simic wrote: > > > But, IMO it is something totally irrelevant now-days... With today > > > tools... > > > I understand why such thing has been important 20-30

Re: [ADMIN] database role for backups?

2013-05-06 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Kamil Jońca wrote: > PS. does news.postgresql.org work? I got 'unknown host' Not anymore. -- Álvaro Herrerahttp://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Training & Services -- Sent via pgsql-admin mailing list (pgsql-admin@postgresql.org) To make changes t

Re: [ADMIN] database role for backups?

2013-05-06 Thread Ian Lawrence Barwick
2013/5/7 Kamil Jońca : > > I tried to create make backup my postrgresql cluster with amanda. > And I had to create database superuser. > > I tried to create no-superuser role with only "replication" privillege, > but after run backup I got: > > --8<---cut here---start---

[ADMIN] database role for backups?

2013-05-06 Thread Kamil Jońca
I tried to create make backup my postrgresql cluster with amanda. And I had to create database superuser. I tried to create no-superuser role with only "replication" privillege, but after run backup I got: --8<---cut here---start->8--- 2013-05-06 13:33:02 CES

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Uwe Schroeder
On Mon, 05/06/2013 05:51:00 PM Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Misa Simic wrote: > > But, IMO it is something totally irrelevant now-days... With today > > tools... > > I understand why such thing has been important 20-30 years ago (in > > previous > > century) > > You're a

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Misa Simic
On Tuesday, May 7, 2013, Scott Marlowe wrote: > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Misa Simic > > > wrote: > > > But, IMO it is something totally irrelevant now-days... With today > tools... > > I understand why such thing has been important 20-30 years ago (in > previous > > century) > > You're ass

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Julian
On 07/05/13 04:15, Craig James wrote: > Just out of curiousity, I see comments like this all the time: > >> (*please* stop top-posting). So people can... > I've been participating in newsgroups since UUCP days, and I've never > encountered a group before that encouraged bottom posting. Bottom >

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 5:16 PM, Misa Simic wrote: > But, IMO it is something totally irrelevant now-days... With today tools... > I understand why such thing has been important 20-30 years ago (in previous > century) You're assuming we all use the same tools. There are still people on this who (

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Misa Simic
On Monday, May 6, 2013, Craig James wrote: > Just out of curiousity, I see comments like this all the time: > > > (*please* stop top-posting). > > I've been participating in newsgroups since UUCP days, and I've never > encountered a group before that encouraged bottom posting. Bottom posting > ha

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Scott Marlowe
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:20 PM, Thomas Kellerer wrote: > I personally don't really care, but what I really find annoying are bottom > posters > that do not trim the quoted message - especially if the original message was > quite long. Especially if there are dozens of untrimmed quotes above THAT.

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Craig James
Regarding top posting versus bottom posting, pretty almost everyone who has commented agrees that top versus bottom posting isn't the problem. It's laziness about editing, perhaps exacerbated by certain email systems that encourage that laziness. So how about this: instead of demanding "PLEASE DO

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Jim Mercer
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 10:20:30PM +0200, Thomas Kellerer wrote: > With a newsreader that show threads instead of individual messages it's easier > to read a top-post answer because you don't need to scroll down. it is important to note that people use a variety of tools to read mailing lists, new

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Thomas Kellerer
Szymon Guz, 06.05.2013 20:25: That's strange. I've never met any newsgroup which would require top posting. Top posting has always been considered rude. We are reading from top to bottom. That's why people should answer below cited text, so we can read it later normally. I mean that I should re

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:55:41AM -0700, Craig James wrote: > My real gripe is with laziness, not bottom posting. Anyone who can't spend a > minute to edit quoted material to the relevant part is forcing thousands of > readers to wade through irrelevant crap. It's inconsiderate. How about sente

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Craig James
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 11:25 AM, Szymon Guz wrote: > On 6 May 2013 20:15, Craig James wrote: > >> Just out of curiousity, I see comments like this all the time: >> >> > (*please* stop top-posting). >> > > We are reading from top to bottom. That's why people should answer below > cited text, so w

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Jim Mercer
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 08:25:25PM +0200, Szymon Guz wrote: > That's strange. I've never met any newsgroup which would require top > posting. Top posting has always been considered rude. > > We are reading from top to bottom. That's why people should answer below > cited text, so we can read it la

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 08:25:25PM +0200, Szymon Guz wrote: > We are reading from top to bottom. That's why people should answer below cited > text, so we can read it later normally. I mean that I should read first the > part of email you answer to, and than below your answer. > > http://www.idall

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Jim Mercer
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 11:15:09AM -0700, Craig James wrote: > Just out of curiousity, I see comments like this all the time: > > > (*please* stop top-posting). top posting is just lazy. bottom posting, equally so. one should be replying in-line, with context, and removing extraneous content.

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Tom Lane
Craig James writes: > I've been participating in newsgroups since UUCP days, and I've never > encountered a group before that encouraged bottom posting. Bottom posting > has traditionally been considered rude -- it forces readers to scroll, > often through pages and pages of text, to see a few li

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Gilberto Castillo
> Just out of curiousity, I see comments like this all the time: > >> (*please* stop top-posting). > > I've been participating in newsgroups since UUCP days, and I've never > encountered a group before that encouraged bottom posting. Bottom posting > has traditionally been considered rude -- it

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Craig James wrote: > Contributors in these newsgroups seem to think it's OK to quote five pages > of someone else's response, then add one or two sentences at the bottom ... > it's just laziness that forces readers to wade through the same stuff over > and over in each thread. > > How did the Pos

Re: [ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Szymon Guz
On 6 May 2013 20:15, Craig James wrote: > Just out of curiousity, I see comments like this all the time: > > > (*please* stop top-posting). > > I've been participating in newsgroups since UUCP days, and I've never > encountered a group before that encouraged bottom posting. Bottom posting > has

[ADMIN] top posting?

2013-05-06 Thread Craig James
Just out of curiousity, I see comments like this all the time: > (*please* stop top-posting). I've been participating in newsgroups since UUCP days, and I've never encountered a group before that encouraged bottom posting. Bottom posting has traditionally been considered rude -- it forces reader

Re: [ADMIN] pg_stat_tmp file

2013-05-06 Thread Rodrigo Barboza
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 7:32 AM, Magnus Hagander wrote: > On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Rodrigo Barboza > wrote: > > Hi, guys. > > Postgres doc says it is better to place the pgstat.stat file in ram disk. > > And it says that at shutdown, it is copied to global. > > What happens if postgres do

Re: [ADMIN] pg_stat_tmp file

2013-05-06 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Fri, May 3, 2013 at 5:09 PM, Rodrigo Barboza wrote: > Hi, guys. > Postgres doc says it is better to place the pgstat.stat file in ram disk. > And it says that at shutdown, it is copied to global. > What happens if postgres do not shutdown the usual way? > If machine loses power, for example...