Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-11 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera writes: > One problem with doing it that way is that the proposed parenthical > comment partly duplicates the text immediately following it, so I'm no > longer so sure that adding it is good; I think that changing "local > additions" to "local additions and changes" might be

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-11 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2019-Nov-08, Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera writes: > > On 2019-Nov-08, Tom Lane wrote: > >> So the patch becomes s/virgin/pristine/g plus add a parenthetical > >> definition for the first use? Works for me. > > > Well, there are three uses of the word "virgin". The first is for > >

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-10 Thread Brian Williams
Everyone, Thank you for the attention paid to this. Brian > On Nov 8, 2019, at 10:37 AM, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > >> On 8 Nov 2019, at 16:19, Tom Lane wrote: > >> So the patch becomes s/virgin/pristine/g plus add a parenthetical >> definition for the first use? Works for me. > >

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera writes: > On 2019-Nov-08, Tom Lane wrote: >> So the patch becomes s/virgin/pristine/g plus add a parenthetical >> definition for the first use? Works for me. > Well, there are three uses of the word "virgin". The first is for > "virgin user", and the patch turns that into just

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2019-Nov-08, Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera writes: > > Hmm. Maybe we can say "pristine database" and then add this explanation > > in a parenthical comment: > > > This is particularly handy when restoring a > > pg_dump dump: the dump script should be restored in a > >

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Daniel Gustafsson
> On 8 Nov 2019, at 16:19, Tom Lane wrote: > So the patch becomes s/virgin/pristine/g plus add a parenthetical > definition for the first use? Works for me. Agreed. cheers ./daniel

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera writes: > Hmm. Maybe we can say "pristine database" and then add this explanation > in a parenthical comment: > This is particularly handy when restoring a > pg_dump dump: the dump script should be restored in a > pristine database (one where no user-defined objects

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2019-Nov-08, Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera writes: > > Here's a proposed patch. > > I don't like this wording much, because "no user-defined objects" > is not a sufficient specification of what we are talking about. > You need to also capture the property that none of the system- >

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera writes: > Here's a proposed patch. I don't like this wording much, because "no user-defined objects" is not a sufficient specification of what we are talking about. You need to also capture the property that none of the system- defined objects have been altered. Now that we

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Daniel Gustafsson
> On 8 Nov 2019, at 14:10, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > On 2019-Nov-08, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > >> Agreed. I like your suggestion, or the inverse of it: "a database without >> any >> user defined objects". > > Here's a proposed patch. +1, LGTM cheers ./daniel

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2019-Nov-08, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > Agreed. I like your suggestion, or the inverse of it: "a database without any > user defined objects". Here's a proposed patch. -- Álvaro Herrerahttps://www.2ndQuadrant.com/ PostgreSQL Development, 24x7 Support, Remote DBA, Training &

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 06:50:10PM -0300, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > On 2019-Nov-07, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 07:55:22PM +0100, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > > > On 7 Nov 2019, at 16:03, Alvaro Herrera > > > > wrote: > > > > > We could say "empty", which seems better

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2019-Nov-07, Bruce Momjian wrote: > On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 07:55:22PM +0100, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > > On 7 Nov 2019, at 16:03, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > > We could say "empty", which seems better suited than both "virgin" and > > > "pristine" anyway. > > > > empty is a lot better,

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-07 Thread Bruce Momjian
On Thu, Nov 7, 2019 at 07:55:22PM +0100, Daniel Gustafsson wrote: > > On 7 Nov 2019, at 16:03, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > > > because we have not explained what a "virgin database" is. > > I think this is the key observation. > > > We could say "empty", which seems better suited than both

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-07 Thread Daniel Gustafsson
> On 7 Nov 2019, at 16:03, Alvaro Herrera wrote: > because we have not explained what a "virgin database" is. I think this is the key observation. > We could say "empty", which seems better suited than both "virgin" and > "pristine" anyway. empty is a lot better, but still isn't conveying

Re: The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-07 Thread Alvaro Herrera
On 2019-Nov-07, PG Doc comments form wrote: > Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/manage-ag-templatedbs.html > Description: > > The use of the word virgin as an adjective is incorrect here and also an > anachronism. It is better off replaced with the word pristine - quotes > unnecessary.

The word "virgin" used incorrectly and probably better off replaced

2019-11-07 Thread PG Doc comments form
The following documentation comment has been logged on the website: Page: https://www.postgresql.org/docs/12/manage-ag-templatedbs.html Description: The use of the word virgin as an adjective is incorrect here and also an anachronism. It is better off replaced with the word pristine - quotes