Andrew Maclean napisał(a):
I can't agree more.
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:16
To: Tony Caduto
Cc: Magnus Hagander; Dave Page; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Does this look ethical to you?
The people
I can't agree more.
-Original Message-
From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 25 January 2006 15:16
To: Tony Caduto
Cc: Magnus Hagander; Dave Page; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: Does this look ethical to you?
The people who develop, package, and host
The people who develop, package, and host pginstaller files are doing so
to promote open source software for users, not to help you sell
commercial software. For that, you are on your own.
If you want to find volunteers to help you promote and sell your
software, good luck. :-)
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I don't wan't to be bundled, I just want it to be known that there are
alternatives available.
I don't think it is reasonable to expect the OSS project within the OSS
installer to mention commercial alternatives IF
they are shipping an already available OSS product.
What I mean is that th
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006, Tony Caduto wrote:
You are not letting the user make a choice about which admin tool to use
or even try...
My understanding was that pgInstaller gave you the option to install
pgAdmin III, it isn't a *requirement* to install it, like it is with your
analogy of M$+IE ...
Devrim GUNDUZ wrote:
I am kind of ticked off that they are hijacking my product name this
way.
Yep, but they were using direct links, and I changed any verbage I had
immediatly when Dave asked me to.
If navicat had mentioned my product in their web page I really wouldn't
care, but they
Yes, that is all I am asking. Sorry about the MS reference, but I
needed to make a point :-)
I'd find it reasonable to add a blurb somewhere about "note that there
are other tools and addons available. See for example
http://www.postgresql.org/download"; or something like that. That
certainly
> the personal expense of numerous people including myself. Why
> should we advertise your or anyone elses commercial products
> for free?>
>
> Because the installer is not letting it be known that there
> are alternatives available, I have had many people tell me
> they had no idea there whe
Magnus Hagander wrote:
> We (pginstaller hat goes on) don't know of any competing products. We
will be happy to consider bundling any competing product, including PG
Lightning Admin. One of the most important things in order to be
distributed as part of an open source product is that the parts a
Tony Caduto wrote:
Thank you, however I'm more concerned with:
"PGLA has many advanced features not found in pgAdmin III,".
Aside from it being slightly misleading (not only are there not many
'advanced' things PGLA can do that pgAdmin can't, there are a similar
number that pgAdmin can, that PG
Hi,
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 07:56 -0600, Tony Caduto wrote:
> I don't think mentioning a product as a alternative to pgAdmin III is
> wrong since pgAdmin III has such a big advantage being distributed
> with
> the Windows version of Postgresql. It almost has monopoly written on
> it
> since the
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 January 2006 15:24
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Does this look ethical to you?
>
> I changed it to say PGLA has many advanced GUI featur
Thank you, however I'm more concerned with:
"PGLA has many advanced features not found in pgAdmin III,".
Aside from it being slightly misleading (not only are there not many
'advanced' things PGLA can do that pgAdmin can't, there are a similar
number that pgAdmin can, that PGLA can't), it is sti
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 January 2006 14:57
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: Magnus Hagander; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Does this look ethical to you?
>
>
> No I am not kidding, it'
You're kidding, right? Should we also mention in the PostgreSQL
installer that you should perhaps look at Oracle or DB2?
No I am not kidding, it's more akin to MS bundling a web browser and a
media player. That would be a more appropiate example. MS does it to
destroy competitors. I unders
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 January 2006 14:25
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Does this look ethical to you?
>
>
> > There most certainly are companie
Hi,
On Tue, 2006-01-24 at 08:24 -0600, Tony Caduto wrote:
> No how about getting a link or something in the win32 Postgresql
> installer back to the commercial products page:
> http://www.postgresql.org/download/commercial
Are you kidding?
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> -Original Message-
> From: Magnus Hagander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 January 2006 14:22
> To: Tony Caduto; Dave Page
> Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: RE: [GENERAL] Does this look ethical to you?
>
>
> > pgAdmin does not play fa
There most certainly are companies making money from pgAdmin, including
at least 2 of the most well known large PostgreSQL companies. In
addition to potentially hurting them, you are trading off our long
established name, which to add insult to injury you haven't even spelt
or formatted correctl
> > There most certainly are companies making money from pgAdmin,
> > including at least 2 of the most well known large PostgreSQL
> > companies. In addition to potentially hurting them, you are trading
> > off our long established name, which to add insult to injury you
> > haven't even spelt
> -Original Message-
> From: Tony Caduto [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 January 2006 13:56
> To: Dave Page
> Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Does this look ethical to you?
>
> Those companies simply bundle pgAdmin III, they do
Dave Page wrote:
There most certainly are companies making money from pgAdmin, including
at least 2 of the most well known large PostgreSQL companies. In
addition to potentially hurting them, you are trading off our long
established name, which to add insult to injury you haven't even spelt
or f
> -Original Message-
> From: Magnus Hagander [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 24 January 2006 09:05
> To: Tony Caduto; George Pavlov
> Cc: Bruce Momjian; pgsql-general@postgresql.org; Dave Page
> Subject: RE: [GENERAL] Does this look ethical to you?
>
&g
> George Pavlov wrote:
> > they have the same kind of page setup for pg Admin:
> >
> > http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Admin/index.php
> >
> > this one renders...
> >
> > both pages seem to tell robots not to cache them, so can't view a
> > cached view on google.
>
>
> At least PG Admin is free s
the blue links at the top (as it states in the top right) are sponsor'd
links ... they pay for those to be there, and, I'd imagine, pay quite
heavily :(
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Tony Caduto wrote:
George Pavlov wrote:
they have the same kind of page setup for pg Admin:
http://pgsql.navicat.
George Pavlov wrote:
they have the same kind of page setup for pg Admin:
http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Admin/index.php
this one renders...
both pages seem to tell robots not to cache them, so can't view a cached
view on google.
At least PG Admin is free software and doing that is not really h
I don't know about that, the link is still there, it just gives a
error of No input file specified, which just indicates the index.php
in http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Lightning_Admin/ is gone or having a
problem.
I asked them nicely to remove it within 24 hours, so we shall see.
Well the c
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
Well, since the page is gone already I'd say both parties seem to be
playing fair.
Good deal!
brew
I don't know about that, the link is still there, it just gives a error
of No input file specified, which just indicates the index.php in
http://pgsql.navicat.com/P
they have the same kind of page setup for pg Admin:
http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Admin/index.php
this one renders...
both pages seem to tell robots not to cache them, so can't view a cached
view on google.
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Tony.
> Maybe if you take the high road you could work something out that would
> help you both?
Well, since the page is gone already I'd say both parties seem to be
playing fair.
Good deal!
brew
==
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Oh, I thought they were shipping PG lighening admin too. The URL no
longer works so I wonder if they thought better of the practice.
No, PG Lightning Admin is my product name, and I think they are doing
something with a link to my page in their page because my page is
Tony.
> I was doing a search on Google and found this link on Navicat's web page
>
> http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Lightning_Admin/index.php
>
> I am kind of ticked off that they are hijacking my product name this way.
Well, technically they aren't hijacking your product name, they are
hijacki
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Tony Caduto wrote:
I would call it fairly shady. I am guessing that by doing so they are
getting placement within search
engines or something.
Hi Joshua,
Yep, that's the part that I don't like.
Using Postgresql in there is one thing as it's good because you have to
Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > Tony Caduto wrote:
> >
> >> I was doing a search on Google and found this link on Navicat's web page
> >>
> >> http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Lightning_Admin/index.php
> >>
> >> I am kind of ticked off that they are hijacking my product name this wa
Bruce Momjian wrote:
Tony Caduto wrote:
I was doing a search on Google and found this link on Navicat's web page
http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Lightning_Admin/index.php
I am kind of ticked off that they are hijacking my product name this way.
This isn't really postgresal related but I was ju
Tony Caduto wrote:
I was doing a search on Google and found this link on Navicat's web page
http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Lightning_Admin/index.php
I am kind of ticked off that they are hijacking my product name this way.
This isn't really postgresal related but I was just wondering what
others
Tony Caduto wrote:
> I was doing a search on Google and found this link on Navicat's web page
>
> http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Lightning_Admin/index.php
>
> I am kind of ticked off that they are hijacking my product name this way.
>
> This isn't really postgresal related but I was just wondering
I was doing a search on Google and found this link on Navicat's web page
http://pgsql.navicat.com/PG_Lightning_Admin/index.php
I am kind of ticked off that they are hijacking my product name this way.
This isn't really postgresal related but I was just wondering what
others thought about this.
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