Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-07 Thread Stuart McGraw
Hello Fernando, I was sorry to read the harsh responses your request got here. The thing that has always appealed to me about the free software movement is the spirit of cooperation and mutual help that many involved exhibit. You quite rightly point out the hypocrisy of those who call

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-07 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:40 AM, David Johnston pol...@yahoo.com wrote: On Aug 6, 2011, at 18:03, Stuart McGraw smcg2...@frii.com wrote: My point, while coming across a little harsh apparently, is that emphasis on requiring a free service projects a certain personality. If a good service is

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-07 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
John, Craig, how do you explain the services of file hosting? By those services millions of persons free-load pictures, videos, text, GBs of data, etc.. I think that what I asked is quite similar, that is the use of a piece of remote hardware where to have free software installed. The difference

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-07 Thread John R Pierce
On 08/07/11 1:46 AM, Fernando Pianegiani wrote: how do you explain the services of file hosting? By those services millions of persons free-load pictures, videos, text, GBs of data, etc.. I think that what I asked is quite similar, that is the use of a piece of remote hardware where to have

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-07 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 11:22 AM, John R Pierce pie...@hogranch.com wrote: On 08/07/11 1:46 AM, Fernando Pianegiani wrote: how do you explain the services of file hosting? By those services millions of persons free-load pictures, videos, text, GBs of data, etc.. I think that what I asked is

[GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
Hello, do you know any FREE hosting platforms where PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat (or other web servers) can be already found installed or where they can be installed from scratch? In possible, it would be better if the PostgreSQL be directly accessible by my servlet, without any web service/PHP

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Allan Kamau
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:02 AM, Fernando Pianegiani fernando.pianegi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, do you know any FREE hosting platforms where PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat (or other web servers) can be already found installed or where they can be installed from scratch? In possible, it would

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
Hello, thank you for your answer. Sorry for my cross posting. Are you in any business about hosting platforms?? ;-) Don't forget that the Internet is free, that youtube is free and that this mailing list is free and that also MySQL is free. But, not all the services that appear free are really

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
Exuse me, PostgreSQL is completely free, not MySQL.. :-D On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Fernando Pianegiani fernando.pianegi...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, thank you for your answer. Sorry for my cross posting. Are you in any business about hosting platforms?? ;-) Don't forget that the

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Antonio Goméz Soto
Well, I am from the hosting business, and can assure you, what you are looking for does not exist. This configuration requires specialists on the provider side, which are expensive. They need to eat too. And history teaches, that even if it would exist, you should not put anything meaningful

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
Thak you Antonio. After open source for the software, we will wait for open resource for the hardware (this is just a first example http://www.arduino.cc/, even if of different nature). I need to eat too, for this reason I cannot pay for an hosting platform after that my funded research project

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread David Johnston
Since this thread is already top-post... One of the reasons software can be free is because people are able to make money doing things like hosting and consulting. If you are looking for charity because you are poor, or what you want to do has little commercial value, you would be wise to

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Nicklas Avén
Open Source is about sharing ideas and source code that has no cost in copying as soon as it is once invented. The link you are providing is the same thing. All information about the chip is open. But that doesn't mean that anyone will send you a chip for free. To host a project on the web needs

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Scott Ribe
After open source for the software, we will wait for open resource for the hardware (this is just a first example http://www.arduino.cc/, even if of different nature). While the plans may be free, the actual hardware sure as hell won't be. -- Scott Ribe scott_r...@elevated-dev.com

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
Dear David, Nicklas, I think that this is not the right place where to discuss about this topic, but I have to try to give you an answer. PostgreSQL is not only open source, like MySQL is, but also free. This means that people who don't develop neither a line of code of PostgreSQL (or just some

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Dusan Misic
Please, behave nice and stick to the subject. Mailing list is not the place for this kind of talk. Sincerely, Dusan On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Fernando Pianegiani fernando.pianegi...@gmail.com wrote: Dear David, Nicklas, I think that this is not the right place where to discuss

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Chris Travers
I hope I am not feeding a troll here. The economic model behind PostgreSQL is a very good one. Here is my understanding of it. Various people in the community cooperate but they also sell products (EnterpriseDB, Green Plum) based on the codebase along with their proprietary enhancements.

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Fernando Pianegiani
It is not my intention to continue this discussion within this mailing list, so please stop to reply or reply just to me. Otherwise I have to answer again to the community and I don't want to do it. :-) Dear Chris, thank you. I will answer to you in the following. On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 11:03

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Stuart McGraw
Hello Fernando, I was sorry to read the harsh responses your request got here. The thing that has always appealed to me about the free software movement is the spirit of cooperation and mutual help that many involved exhibit. You quite rightly point out the hypocrisy of those who call

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread David Johnston
On Aug 6, 2011, at 18:03, Stuart McGraw smcg2...@frii.com wrote: My point, while coming across a little harsh apparently, is that emphasis on requiring a free service projects a certain personality. Even just adding or low cost would have helped. That said, it wasn't the original request the

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread John R Pierce
On 08/06/11 4:40 PM, David Johnston wrote: The bottom line is I would not expect to find any individual or company willing or able to offer such a service, to the general public, for free. And it is a service you are requesting as opposed to a product like PostgreSQL. A product is more

Re: [GENERAL] FREE hosting platforms with PostgreSQL, Java SDK, Tomcat, ecc.?

2011-08-06 Thread Craig Ringer
On 7/08/2011 1:08 AM, Scott Ribe wrote: After open source for the software, we will wait for open resource for the hardware (this is just a first example http://www.arduino.cc/, even if of different nature). While the plans may be free, the actual hardware sure as hell won't be. A bit OT,