Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Adrian Klaver
On 12/17/2015 08:43 AM, Will McCormick wrote: Almost forgot this: SELECT pg_current_xlog_location(); I was not paying attention earlier that should be: pg_last_xlog_receive_location() from: http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.1/interactive/functions-admin.html Table 9-58. Recovery I

Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Will McCormick
Almost forgot this: SELECT pg_current_xlog_location(); ERROR: recovery is in progress HINT: WAL control functions cannot be executed during recovery. bms=> SELECT pg_current_xlog_location(); ERROR: recovery is in progress HINT: WAL control functions cannot be executed during recovery.

Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Adrian Klaver
On 12/17/2015 07:56 AM, Will McCormick wrote: Thanks a ton for the prompt response. I've read most of this but some it was not clear until we discussed. See here for more detail: WLM: Reading now :) While reading I would suggest having the postgres.conf files on the master and the stan

Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Will McCormick
Thanks for the great assistance On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 11:27 AM, Adrian Klaver wrote: > On 12/17/2015 07:56 AM, Will McCormick wrote: > >> Thanks a ton for the prompt response. >> >> I've read most of this but some it was not clear until we discussed. >> >> Updated with WLM: >> >> On 12/17/2015

Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Adrian Klaver
On 12/17/2015 07:56 AM, Will McCormick wrote: Thanks a ton for the prompt response. I've read most of this but some it was not clear until we discussed. Updated with WLM: On 12/17/2015 07:17 AM, Will McCormick wrote: I inherited a 9.1 replication environment Few basic questions that

Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Will McCormick
Thanks a ton for the prompt response. I've read most of this but some it was not clear until we discussed. Updated with WLM: On 12/17/2015 07:17 AM, Will McCormick wrote: > > I inherited a 9.1 replication environment > > Few basic questions that I can't find clear answers / clarifications for >

Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread David Steele
Hi Will, On 12/17/15 10:17 AM, Will McCormick wrote: > I inherited a 9.1 replication environment > > Few basic questions that I can't find clear answers / clarifications for > if possible: > > 3 types of replication in 9.1 I've read about from the offical docs: > > 1) warm standby This is a s

Re: [GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Adrian Klaver
On 12/17/2015 07:17 AM, Will McCormick wrote: I inherited a 9.1 replication environment Few basic questions that I can't find clear answers / clarifications for if possible: 3 types of replication in 9.1 I've read about from the offical docs: 1) warm standby 2) hot standby 3) streaming replica

[GENERAL] - PostgreSQL Replication Types

2015-12-17 Thread Will McCormick
I inherited a 9.1 replication environment Few basic questions that I can't find clear answers / clarifications for if possible: 3 types of replication in 9.1 I've read about from the offical docs: 1) warm standby 2) hot standby 3) streaming replication I'm using streaming replication I believe,

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication assistance

2012-09-12 Thread Albe Laurenz
Gustav Potgieter wrote: > Hope you can assist and that I am posting to the right forum. Sending the question twice with the same wording does not make it clearer... > We currently have multiple Postgresql 9 instances running with warm standby, and the replication work > wonderfully. > > The prob

[GENERAL] Postgresql replication assistance

2012-09-11 Thread Gustav Potgieter
Hi All, Hope you can assist and that I am posting to the right forum. We currently have multiple Postgresql 9 instances running with warm standby, and the replication work wonderfully. The problem is the following, we take the slave database out of recovery and it works perfectly, but when we

[GENERAL] Postgresql replication assistance

2012-09-10 Thread Gustav Potgieter
Hi All, Hope you can assist and that I am posting to the right forum. We currently have multiple Postgresql 9 instances running with warm standby, and the replication work wonderfully. The problem is the following, we take the slave database out of recovery and it works perfectly, but when we

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql Replication Comparison Required

2011-12-29 Thread Gabriele Bartolini
Hello, in general my advice would be to stick with native features, therefore use either Streaming Replication (or alternatively log shipping replication). You might need some tools to help you manage the cluster, clients routing and balancing but I suggest you look into this later. On Thu,

[GENERAL] Postgresql Replication Comparison Required

2011-12-29 Thread saurabh gupta
I am doing POC on Posgtresql replication. I am using latest version of postgresql i.e. 9.1. There are multiple replication solutions avaliable in the market (PGCluster, Pgpool-II, Slony-I). Postgresql also provide in-built replication solutions (Streaming replication, Warm Standby and hot standby).

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-31 Thread Vivek Khera
On Mar 25, 2008, at 4:28 PM, Jeff Davis wrote: This obviously does not work in real time, but it may be useful. It does not require a lot of additional space to do this because of the ZFS copy-on-write implementation. But what benefit does it give you if you're pounding on the same set of

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-26 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Chris Browne wrote: > I seem to recall there being a relevant Google Summer of Code project > about this, last year. > I do not recall how far it got. It obviously didn't make it into 8.3 > ;-)! Some parts of it did -- for example we got "read-only transactions" which were a step towards that g

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-26 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keaton Adams) writes: > That is an interesting question. If our organization were to help fund the > development of such a feature, would that be something taken into > consideration by the development team? I seem to recall there being a relevant Google Summer of Code project

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-26 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 01:03:34AM -0400, Greg Smith wrote: > against. People who are using the current warm-standby code are already > grappling with issues like how to coordinate master/slave failover > (including my second favorite acronym, STONITH for "shoot the other node > in the head").

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-26 Thread Dimitri Fontaine
Le mercredi 26 mars 2008, Greg Smith a écrit : > (My favorite acronym is TLA) Hehe :) I'd vote for A... -- dim signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part.

[GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only

2008-03-26 Thread Keaton Adams
Our organization is looking for a hot-standby option for PostgreSQL that uses the WAL (transaction) data to keep the standby current and also allows the standby to be read-only accessible for reporting. We have implemented WAL shipping through a set of scripts we developed and that works well to

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-26 Thread Simon Riggs
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:53 -0600, Keaton Adams wrote: > That is an interesting question. If our organization were to help fund the > development of such a feature, would that be something taken into > consideration by the development team? Yes. Many of my major projects have been funded that wa

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Greg Smith
On Tue, 25 Mar 2008, Jonathan Bond-Caron wrote: I know very little about postgreSQL internals but it would be great if: - WAL files could be applied while the standby server is operational / allow read-only queries This is the part that requires modifying PostgreSQL, and that progress was mad

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Jonathan Bond-Caron
] On Behalf Of Keaton Adams Sent: March 25, 2008 4:29 PM To: Richard Broersma; salman Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org Subject: Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB But will that stand-by replication provide for a read-only slave? On 3/25/08 2:26 PM, "Richar

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
Similar case has been already happened. For example, I have propsed to implement WITH RECURSIVE clause and the work is supported by Sumitomo Electric Information Systems Co., Ltd. (http://www.sei-info.co.jp/) and SRA OSS, Inc. Japan (http://www.sraoss.co.jp). -- Tatsuo Ishii SRA OSS, Inc. Japan

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Keaton Adams
That is an interesting question. If our organization were to help fund the development of such a feature, would that be something taken into consideration by the development team? -Keaton On 3/25/08 4:32 PM, "Richard Broersma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Simo

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Richard Broersma
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Keaton Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Our organization is looking for a hot-standby option for PostgreSQL that > uses the WAL (transaction) data to keep the standby current and also allows > the standby to be read-only accessible for reporting. We have implemen

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Richard Broersma
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 3:08 PM, Simon Riggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 14:11 -0600, Keaton Adams wrote: > Some funding would help that move forwards. If you or others would > consider that, it would help, even if just to provide the seed for > additional contributors. That

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Simon Riggs
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 14:11 -0600, Keaton Adams wrote: > “Oracle Active Data Guard enables a physical standby database to be > open for read-only access – for reporting, simple or complex queries – > while changes from the production database are being applied to it. > This means any operation tha

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Keaton Adams
It is close, but has limitations that will be problematic for our environment, such as: Replicator will not replicate the schema. You must restore your schema to th e slaves from the master before you begin replication. Replicator can only replicate one database. If you have multiple databases y

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Jeff Davis
On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 14:11 -0600, Keaton Adams wrote: > “All queries reading from the physical replica execute in real-time, > and return current results. A Data Guard configuration consists of > one production (or primary) database and up to nine standby > databases. A standby database is initi

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Keaton Adams
But will that stand-by replication provide for a read-only slave? On 3/25/08 2:26 PM, "Richard Broersma" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM, salman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> IIRC, it was mentioned previously in one posting that this a TODO for a >> future version of

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Richard Broersma
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 1:17 PM, salman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, it was mentioned previously in one posting that this a TODO for a > future version of postgres but not something that's expected soon. > > Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. This is what I saw on the TODO list: Write-A

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread salman
Keaton Adams wrote: Our organization is looking for a hot-standby option for PostgreSQL that uses the WAL (transaction) data to keep the standby current and also allows the standby to be read-only accessible for reporting. We have implemented WAL shipping through a set of scripts we developed

[GENERAL] PostgreSQL Replication with read-only access to standby DB

2008-03-25 Thread Keaton Adams
Our organization is looking for a hot-standby option for PostgreSQL that uses the WAL (transaction) data to keep the standby current and also allows the standby to be read-only accessible for reporting. We have implemented WAL shipping through a set of scripts we developed and that works well to

Re: [GENERAL] PostGreSQL Replication

2007-07-16 Thread Gabriele
> Sounds like something you'd want to handle within the application I believe i will try to follow this path. ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [GENERAL] PostGreSQL Replication

2007-07-10 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Saturday 07 July 2007 14.16:56 Gabriele wrote: > I know this is a delicate topic which must be approached cautiously. > > Let's have a server which feed data to multiple slaves, usually using > direct online connections. Now, we may want to allow those client to > sync the data to a local replic

Re: [GENERAL] PostGreSQL Replication

2007-07-10 Thread Guido Neitzer
On 07.07.2007, at 06:16, Gabriele wrote: Let's have a server which feed data to multiple slaves, usually using direct online connections. Now, we may want to allow those client to sync the data to a local replica, work offline and then resync the data back to the server. Which is the easiest way

Re: [GENERAL] PostGreSQL Replication

2007-07-10 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Sat, Jul 07, 2007 at 05:16:56AM -0700, Gabriele wrote: > Let's have a server which feed data to multiple slaves, usually using > direct online connections. Now, we may want to allow those client to > sync the data to a local replica, work offline and then resync the > data back to the server. Wh

[GENERAL] PostGreSQL Replication

2007-07-09 Thread Gabriele
I know this is a delicate topic which must be approached cautiously. Let's have a server which feed data to multiple slaves, usually using direct online connections. Now, we may want to allow those client to sync the data to a local replica, work offline and then resync the data back to the server

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-02 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Alexander Staubo wrote: > On 5/2/07, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> They're different pages. The first one is horribly out of date; > >> unfortunately, it is (for me) the first hit on Google, whereas the > >> PgFoundry project page is the third. > > > >Sure, they are different pages

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-02 Thread Alexander Staubo
On 5/2/07, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > They're different pages. The first one is horribly out of date; > unfortunately, it is (for me) the first hit on Google, whereas the > PgFoundry project page is the third. Sure, they are different pages, but the first one is supposed to be m

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-02 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Alexander Staubo wrote: > On 5/2/07, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >Alexander Staubo wrote: > >> On 5/2/07, Jamie Deppeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >You might want to check pgcluster out > >> >http://pgcluster.projects.postgresql.org/ witch does both. > >> > >> That page will g

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-02 Thread Alexander Staubo
On 5/2/07, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Alexander Staubo wrote: > On 5/2/07, Jamie Deppeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You might want to check pgcluster out > >http://pgcluster.projects.postgresql.org/ witch does both. > > That page will give you the impression that this project i

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-02 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Alexander Staubo wrote: > On 5/2/07, Jamie Deppeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >You might want to check pgcluster out > >http://pgcluster.projects.postgresql.org/ witch does both. > > That page will give you the impression that this project is dead and > abandoned -- the last update is from earl

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-02 Thread Alexander Staubo
On 5/2/07, Jamie Deppeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You might want to check pgcluster out http://pgcluster.projects.postgresql.org/ witch does both. That page will give you the impression that this project is dead and abandoned -- the last update is from early 2005. PGCluster does seem to be a

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-01 Thread Jamie Deppeler
Alexander Staubo wrote: On 5/1/07, Jan Bilek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is Slony-I capable of load balancing and how to set it up? We searched the web and some people mentioned that Slony-I could do load balancing, but haven't found how to make Slony-I to do it. You might want to check pgclus

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-01 Thread Jan Bilek
On 5/1/07, Jan Bilek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is Slony-I capable of load balancing and how to set it up? We searched the web and some people mentioned that Slony-I could do load balancing, but haven't found how to make Slony-I to do it. Slony does not do load balancing. Personally, I recomme

Re: [GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-01 Thread Alexander Staubo
On 5/1/07, Jan Bilek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is Slony-I capable of load balancing and how to set it up? We searched the web and some people mentioned that Slony-I could do load balancing, but haven't found how to make Slony-I to do it. Slony does not do load balancing. Personally, I recommen

[GENERAL] PostgreSql replication and load balancing ( is Slony-I a solution?)

2007-05-01 Thread Jan Bilek
Hello, We're building database system with replication. Slony-I seems to be a quite good solution for the replication, but beside the replication (master-to-multiple slaves), we need load balancing aswell - multiple users will access the database at the same time=multiple queries. Is Slony-I ca

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql Replication

2006-02-22 Thread Alexander Schreiber
Richard Huxton wrote: > Nareen S wrote: >> Current Setup >> I am having a Mailserver running on Postfix.For the same I had configured a >> High Availability Solution using Heartbeat and DRBD for >> replication.Thesetup is like Primary/Secondary Node Servers and all >> mails are replicated to >> s

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql Replication

2006-02-22 Thread Richard Huxton
Nareen S wrote: Current Setup I am having a Mailserver running on Postfix.For the same I had configured a High Availability Solution using Heartbeat and DRBD for replication.Thesetup is like Primary/Secondary Node Servers and all mails are replicated to secondary using DRBD.If primary server fai

[GENERAL] Postgresql Replication

2006-02-21 Thread Nareen S
Current Setup I am having a Mailserver running on Postfix.For the same I had configured  a High Availability Solution using Heartbeat and DRBD for replication.The setup is like Primary/Secondary Node Servers and all mails are replicated to secondary using DRBD.If primary server fails secondary wil

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 11:54:42AM -0400, Chris Browne wrote: > There is a Slony-II project ongoing that is trying to construct a > more-or-less synchronous multimaster replication system (where part of > the cleverness involves trying to get as much taking place in an > asynchronous fashion as pos

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-30 Thread Andrew Sullivan
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 01:44:15PM +0200, Bohdan Linda wrote: > there are some other db solutions which have good performance when doing > this kind of replication across the world. Bluntly, "No." -- Andrew Sullivan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Information security isn't a technological problem. It's

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-27 Thread Chris Browne
William Yu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Chris Browne wrote: >> I'm pretty sure that they _don't_ track balance updates for each >> transaction that applies to a customer's account. You could, via one >> form of trickery or another, "overdraw" your account by a fairly hefty >> amount, and they pro

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-27 Thread William Yu
Our own personal IM :) Chris Travers wrote: The delay will by definition defeat any guarantee of financial integrity if you are allowing read-write operations to the replica without checking with some sort of central authority. At very least, the central authority should look for suspicious p

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-27 Thread Chris Travers
William Yu wrote: Chris Travers wrote: 1) Efficiency of network throughput 2) Tolerance to attempts at repeat transactions before replication (emptying an account multiple times) 3) Availability of a transaction. We ended up having to give up #1. It's possible to have our transactions

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-27 Thread William Yu
Chris Travers wrote: 1) Efficiency of network throughput 2) Tolerance to attempts at repeat transactions before replication (emptying an account multiple times) 3) Availability of a transaction. We ended up having to give up #1. It's possible to have our transactions routed to multiple se

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread Chris Travers
William Yu wrote: Chris Travers wrote: I guess I am thinking along different lines than you. I was thinking that the simplest solution would be to have master/slave replication for *approved* transactions only and no replication for initial commits prior to approval. This makes the assumpt

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread William Yu
Chris Travers wrote: I guess I am thinking along different lines than you. I was thinking that the simplest solution would be to have master/slave replication for *approved* transactions only and no replication for initial commits prior to approval. This makes the assumption that a single tra

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread William Yu
Chris Browne wrote: I'm pretty sure that they _don't_ track balance updates for each transaction that applies to a customer's account. You could, via one form of trickery or another, "overdraw" your account by a fairly hefty amount, and they probably won't notice for a day or even three. But on

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread Matt Miller
On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 17:45 -0700, Jeff Davis wrote: > The replicator surely is not optional, and must be centralized. >From http://pgcluster.projects.postgresql.org/1_3/index.html: "Several replication server can be set up. When an problem occurs at the replication server, Cluster DB automatical

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread Chris Travers
William Yu wrote: Chris Travers wrote: Why not have the people who have rights to review this all write to the master database and have that replicated back? It seems like latency is not really an issue. Replication here is only going to complicate What master database? Having a single

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chris Travers) writes: > William Yu wrote: >> This system sounds ok for documents and general data that can >> always be revived via version control/history. But I can't see how >> this would work for financial transactions where you're dealing >> with money and bank accounts. Su

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread Carlos Henrique Reimer
Hi,   I´m thinking to test your suggestion, basically because there are only few sites to connect, but there are some points that aren´t very clear to me.   My doubts:   1. How to make a view updatable? Using the rule system? 1. Why are inserts handled differently from updates? 2. Can not I use th

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread Chris Travers
William Yu wrote: This system sounds ok for documents and general data that can always be revived via version control/history. But I can't see how this would work for financial transactions where you're dealing with money and bank accounts. Suppose I have $100 in my account. I decided to log

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-26 Thread William Yu
Chris Travers wrote: Why not have the people who have rights to review this all write to the master database and have that replicated back? It seems like latency is not really an issue. Replication here is only going to complicate What master database? Having a single master defeats the pur

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Jeff Davis
Matt Miller wrote: >>>http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgcluster/ which provides syncronous >>>multi-master clustering. >> >>He specifically said that pgcluster did not work for him >>because ...PGCluster requires that there be a load balancer and a >>replicator centrally located managing the cluster.

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Travers
William Yu wrote: Another tidbit I'd like to add. What has helped a lot in implementing high-latency master-master replication writing our software with a business process model in mind where data is not posted directly to the final tables. Instead, users are generally allowed to enter anythi

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Browne
William Yu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > David Goodenough wrote: >> The most obvious one that does exactly this (generic multi-master >> replication) is Lotus Domino. It is not a relational DB, but not >> sufficiently >> far off to stop the analogy. >> Domino marks each document with a binary val

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Atkins) writes: > On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:20:52PM -0400, Chris Browne wrote: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bohdan Linda) writes: >> > I would have a slight offtopic question, this is issue only of pgsql or >> > there are some other db solutions which have good performance when d

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Nicholson) writes: > Bohdan Linda wrote: > >>I would have a slight offtopic question, this is issue only of pgsql or >>there are some other db solutions which have good performance when doing >>this kind of replication across the world. >> >> >> > It all depends on the quali

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Jeff Davis
Carlos Henrique Reimer wrote: > Exactly > Was there something lacking in my suggested solution at: It's a little complicated to administer, but it seems well-suited to a company that has several locations that want to share

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread William Yu
David Goodenough wrote: The most obvious one that does exactly this (generic multi-master replication) is Lotus Domino. It is not a relational DB, but not sufficiently far off to stop the analogy. Domino marks each document with a binary value which identifies the server (built from a hash of t

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Steve Atkins
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 12:20:52PM -0400, Chris Browne wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bohdan Linda) writes: > > I would have a slight offtopic question, this is issue only of pgsql or > > there are some other db solutions which have good performance when doing > > this kind of replication across the

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Matt Miller
> > http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgcluster/ which provides syncronous > > multi-master clustering. > > He specifically said that pgcluster did not work for him > because ...PGCluster requires that there be a load balancer and a > replicator centrally located managing the cluster. If a network > pr

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Carlos Henrique Reimer
ExactlyJeff Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu: Jim C. Nasby wrote:> Or, for something far easier, try> http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgcluster/ which provides syncronous> multi-master clustering.> He specifically said that pgcluster did not work for him because thedatabases would be at physica

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread William Yu
Tino Wildenhain wrote: If your app is used by external customers who are all across the country, they want to continue to still use your software even though you and data center #1 are 6 feet under due to an 8.0 earthquake. They want auto-failover to data center #2 which is in close proximity t

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Jeff Davis
Jim C. Nasby wrote: > Or, for something far easier, try > http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgcluster/ which provides syncronous > multi-master clustering. > He specifically said that pgcluster did not work for him because the databases would be at physically seperate locations. PGCluster requires th

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bohdan Linda) writes: > I would have a slight offtopic question, this is issue only of pgsql or > there are some other db solutions which have good performance when doing > this kind of replication across the world. Asynchronous multimaster replication is pretty much a generally

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Goodenough) writes: > On Thursday 25 August 2005 13:03, William Yu wrote: >> As far as I know, nobody has a generic solution for multi-master >> replication where servers are not in close proximity. Single master >> replication? Doable. Application specific conflict resolut

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Chris Browne
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Aly Dharshi) writes: > I know I am wadding into this discussion as an beginner compared to > the rest who have answered this thread, but doesn't something like > pgpool provide relief for pseudo-multimaster replication, and what > about software like sqlrelay wouldn't these suite

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Tino Wildenhain
William Yu schrieb: Tino Wildenhain wrote: Which is the problem we face. Great, you've got multiple servers for failover. Too bad it doesn't do much good if your building gets hit by fire/earthquake/hurricane/etc. This would remove the application using that data too, or not? ;) Yes and

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Brad Nicholson
Bohdan Linda wrote: I would have a slight offtopic question, this is issue only of pgsql or there are some other db solutions which have good performance when doing this kind of replication across the world. It all depends on the quality of the connection Node A to Node B. If connectivity

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Brad Nicholson
Chris Travers wrote: Carlos Henrique Reimer wrote: I read some documents about replication and realized that if you plan on using asynchronous replication, your application should be designed from the outset with that in mind because asynchronous replication is not something that can be easi

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread David Goodenough
On Thursday 25 August 2005 13:03, William Yu wrote: > As far as I know, nobody has a generic solution for multi-master > replication where servers are not in close proximity. Single master > replication? Doable. Application specific conflict resolution? Doable. > Off the shelf package that somehow

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread William Yu
Tino Wildenhain wrote: Which is the problem we face. Great, you've got multiple servers for failover. Too bad it doesn't do much good if your building gets hit by fire/earthquake/hurricane/etc. This would remove the application using that data too, or not? ;) Yes and no. If your DB is an in

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread William Yu
Another tidbit I'd like to add. What has helped a lot in implementing high-latency master-master replication writing our software with a business process model in mind where data is not posted directly to the final tables. Instead, users are generally allowed to enter anything -- could be incor

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread William Yu
As far as I know, nobody has a generic solution for multi-master replication where servers are not in close proximity. Single master replication? Doable. Application specific conflict resolution? Doable. Off the shelf package that somehow knows financial transactions on a server shouldn't be du

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Tino Wildenhain
Bohdan Linda schrieb: I would have a slight offtopic question, this is issue only of pgsql or there are some other db solutions which have good performance when doing this kind of replication across the world. it depends entirely on your application. There is no "one size fits all" For example

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread Bohdan Linda
I would have a slight offtopic question, this is issue only of pgsql or there are some other db solutions which have good performance when doing this kind of replication across the world. Regards, Bohdan On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 09:01:49AM +0200, William Yu wrote: > It provides pseudo relief if

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-25 Thread William Yu
It provides pseudo relief if all your servers are in the same building. Having a front-end pgpool connector pointing to servers across the world is not workable -- performance ends up being completely decrepit due to the high latency. Which is the problem we face. Great, you've got multiple se

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread Chris Travers
Carlos Henrique Reimer wrote: I read some documents about replication and realized that if you plan on using asynchronous replication, your application should be designed from the outset with that in mind because asynchronous replication is not something that can be easily “added on” after the

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread Greg Stark
William Yu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Allocation of unique IDs that don't collide across servers is a must. For 1 > project, instead of using numeric IDs, we using CHAR and pre-append a unique > server code so record #1 on server A is A01 versus ?x01 on > other > servers. For

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread Aly Dharshi
I know I am wadding into this discussion as an beginner compared to the rest who have answered this thread, but doesn't something like pgpool provide relief for pseudo-multimaster replication, and what about software like sqlrelay wouldn't these suites help to some extent ? Looking forward to be

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread Jim C. Nasby
Or, for something far easier, try http://pgfoundry.org/projects/pgcluster/ which provides syncronous multi-master clustering. On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 12:53:34PM -0700, Jeff Davis wrote: > Chris Browne wrote: > > > > Slony-I is a master/slave asynchronous replication system; if you > > already con

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread William Yu
Carlos Henrique Reimer wrote: I read some documents about replication and realized that if you plan on using asynchronous replication, your application should be designed from the outset with that in mind because asynchronous replication is not something that can be easily “added on” after the

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread Welty, Richard
Jeff Davis writes: >The disadvantages: one more: if you actually have m tables and n servers, you have m x n tables in reality, which is pretty miserable scaling behavior. i should think that rules, triggers, and embedded procedures would explode in complexity rather rapidly. i know i wouldn't w

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread Jeff Davis
Welty, Richard wrote: > Jeff Davis writes: > > >>The disadvantages: > > > one more: if you actually have m tables and n servers, you have > m x n tables in reality, which is pretty miserable scaling behavior. > i should think that rules, triggers, and embedded procedures would > explode in comp

Re: [GENERAL] Postgresql replication

2005-08-24 Thread Welty, Richard
Jeff Davis writes: >>I hope this is helpful. Let me know if there's some reason my plan won't >>work. > look at the solution in pgreplicator. site ids are embedded in the > id columns in the tables, so there only m tables, and a bit less insanity. That doesn't work with Slony-I unfortunately.

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