Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread A. Kretschmer
am Mon, dem 08.10.2007, um 15:46:04 -0500 mailte Scott Marlowe folgendes: > Actually CC to the sender is the norm on this list. I believe there Okay, no problem. I'm knowing other lists like the german debian user list and there is this CC to the sender unwanted. Andreas -- Andreas Kretschmer

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous"X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Gregory Stark
"Alvaro Herrera" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > A. Kretschmer wrote: > >> As far i can see your mails are correct. But one exclusion: please no >> CC: to the sender, i'm reading the list. > > The additional CC: to sender is customary on these lists. Generally it's just how Internet mailing lists w

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 10/8/07, A. Kretschmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > am Mon, dem 08.10.2007, um 12:00:30 -0700 mailte Richard Broersma Jr > folgendes: > > --- "A. Kretschmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > at least post them and see what kind of response you get, > > > > > rather than judge the list as a

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Alvaro Herrera
A. Kretschmer wrote: > As far i can see your mails are correct. But one exclusion: please no > CC: to the sender, i'm reading the list. The additional CC: to sender is customary on these lists. -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.flickr.com/photos/alvherre/ "How amazing is that

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread A. Kretschmer
am Mon, dem 08.10.2007, um 12:00:30 -0700 mailte Richard Broersma Jr folgendes: > --- "A. Kretschmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > at least post them and see what kind of response you get, > > > > rather than judge the list as a whole due to the response you got to > > > an > > > > off-top

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Richard Broersma Jr
--- "A. Kretschmer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > at least post them and see what kind of response you get, > > > rather than judge the list as a whole due to the response you got to > > an > > > off-topic post. Many of the people on the lists have been here for > > years and > > > have gott

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 A. Kretschmer wrote: > am Mon, dem 08.10.2007, um 13:05:50 -0400 mailte Bill Bartlett folgendes: (Makes me have to think twice about raising any _real_ issues though, like why my VACUUMs periodically keep >> getting into lock contention

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread A. Kretschmer
am Mon, dem 08.10.2007, um 13:05:50 -0400 mailte Bill Bartlett folgendes: > > > (Makes me have to think twice about raising > > > any _real_ issues though, like why my VACUUMs periodically keep > getting > > > into lock contentions with my JDBC connections and ultimately > causing me > > > to have

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Gregory Stark
"Scott Marlowe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On 10/8/07, Bill Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> (But I'm still not going to post the problem I've been >> hitting recently running Postgres 7.4.1 on a SuSE 9.0 box -- somehow I >> think the first few responses might be "get OFF that version

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 10/8/07, Bill Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Most people didn't completely read my email and thus unfortunately > completely missed the point, in many cases seemingly because they were > too quick to jump on my use of Outlook as an email client (thus assuming > I was just one of "those"

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-08 Thread Bill Bartlett
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 3:25 PM > To: Bill Bartlett > Cc: 'Andreas Kretschmer'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / > &q

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Michael Glaesemann
(Makes me have to think twice about raising any _real_ issues though, like why my VACUUMs periodically keep getting into lock contentions with my JDBC connections and ultimately causing me to have to shut down Postgres w/ "pg_ctl stop -m immediate", or how to properly handle postmaster errors

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Bill Bartlett
retschmer > > > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:57 AM > > > To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > > > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / > > > "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off > > > > >

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Andreas Kretschmer
gt; Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / > > "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off > > > > > > am Fri, dem 05.10.2007, um 10:05:32 -0400 mailte Bill > > Bartlett folgendes: > > > Quick request to the gro

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Bill Bartlett
> -Original Message- > From: Scott Marlowe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 12:30 PM > To: Bill Bartlett > Cc: A. Kretschmer; pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / > "humorous" X

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 10/5/07, Bill Bartlett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hmm ... I still use "Pine" on some of my really old Linux boxes -- does > this count? (Useful for reading CRON output...) If you need / want the familiar interface of pine on a modern linux box, look for cone. Note that there's also an ope

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Bill Bartlett
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of A. Kretschmer > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:57 AM > To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / > "humorous" X-Messag

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On Oct 5, 2007, at 10:56 , Bill Bartlett wrote: * Given it's an X- header, doesn't that mean the meaning of the value is implementation dependent? What's "bogus" wrt Outlook may not be wrt another mail system or client * Doesn't this indicate that Outlook is broken (for some values of broken)?

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Bill Bartlett
> -Original Message- > From: Michael Glaesemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 10:45 AM > To: Bill Bartlett > Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / > "humorous" X-Message-Fla

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread A. Kretschmer
am Fri, dem 05.10.2007, um 10:05:32 -0400 mailte Bill Bartlett folgendes: > Quick request to the group: we have several members who include bogus or > "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers in their email messages. Could I > request that you _please_ turn them off? Because they come through as Do yo

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Scott Marlowe
On 10/5/07, Michael Glaesemann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:05 , Bill Bartlett wrote: > * Given it's an X- header, doesn't that mean the meaning of the value > is implementation dependent? What's "bogus" wrt Outlook may not be > wrt another mail system or client > * Doesn't

Re: [GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Michael Glaesemann
On Oct 5, 2007, at 9:05 , Bill Bartlett wrote: Quick request to the group: we have several members who include bogus or "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers in their email messages. Could I request that you _please_ turn them off? In all practicality, a request like this is futile: * Given th

[GENERAL] Request: Anyone using bogus / "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers, could we please turn them off

2007-10-05 Thread Bill Bartlett
Quick request to the group: we have several members who include bogus or "humorous" X-Message-Flag headers in their email messages. Could I request that you _please_ turn them off? Because they come through as flagged messages in Outlook, it throws off my email rules processing and the messages