On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:00 AM, John R Pierce wrote:
> On 1/12/2016 11:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote:
>
>>
>> One of the nice things about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is that it
>> focuses primarily on the positive. It is long, perhaps overly verbose, but
>> it does focus on
On 1/12/2016 11:32 PM, Chris Travers wrote:
One of the nice things about the Ubuntu Code of Conduct is that it
focuses primarily on the positive. It is long, perhaps overly
verbose, but it does focus on what the community wants rather than
what the community wants to avoid.
It is easy to
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 08:47:16AM -0800, Joshua Drake wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I had a hard time writing this email. I think Code of Conducts are
> non-essential, a waste of respectful people's time and frankly if
> you are going to be a jerk, our community will call you out on it.
> Unfortunately a
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 3:21 PM, James Keener wrote:
> This line has already been substantially changes. Can we keep discussion
> of the language of the WIP in the thread meant for it? This way people
> don't waste time discussing language which no longer exists.
>
I think
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> Flower <gavinflo...@archidevsys.c
A couple thoughts rather late to the discussion from a more international
perspective.
I remember a lecture I saw by a comparative law professor (the lecture was
about why many Danes are unhappy with the EU pressures on their tradition
of law and the general lack of subsidiarity in the EU) who
ead
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<gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz>; PostgreSQL General
<pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?
A couple thoughts rather late to the discussion fro
On Jan 12, 2016 9:48 AM, "Regina Obe" wrote:
>>
>> Chris,
>>
>> >> For a Coc – I think it should be light, but make it clear that we do
not tolerate strangers coming into our group and demanding us to accept
their code, cause we want to be welcoming and show we have at least 15% of
On 12 January 2016 at 09:25, Chris Travers wrote:
> One of the dangers of a CoC is that there are many potential issues which
> may or may not become real problems. I think if we try to be clear on all
> of them, then we risk creating codes instead of a general
Chris,
>> For a Coc – I think it should be light, but make it clear that we do not
>> tolerate strangers coming into our group and demanding us to accept their
>> code, cause we want to be welcoming and show we have at least 15% of code
>> contributions from women.
> One of the dangers of
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
> All because somebody just *had* to personally insult someone else,
> repeatedly, and nobody thought that was a bad thing, and when the
> recipient finally objected, the objection was chalked up to him or her
> valuing
> On Jan 12, 2016, at 7:50 AM, Vick Khera wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 6:55 PM, Steve Litt wrote:
>> All because somebody just *had* to personally insult someone else,
>> repeatedly, and nobody thought that was a bad thing, and when the
>>
> On 12 January 2016 at 09:25, Chris Travers wrote:
>> One of the dangers of a CoC is that there are many potential issues
>> which may or may not become real problems. I think if we try to be
>> clear on all of them, then we risk creating codes instead of a general
This line has already been substantially changes. Can we keep discussion of the
language of the WIP in the thread meant for it? This way people don't waste
time discussing language which no longer exists.
Jim
On January 12, 2016 9:17:55 AM EST, Neil Tiffin wrote:
>
>> On
On 05/01/2016 18:47, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,
I had a hard time writing this email. I think Code of Conducts are non-essential, a waste of respectful people's time and frankly if you are going to be a jerk, our community will call you out on
it. Unfortunately a lot of people don't agree
> To add to that, non-native speakers sometimes make mistakes that set
> it off. I remember an embarrassing case where I thought the word
> "gross" came from the German "Grosshaft", which means quite the
> opposite (great, fabulous), and responded to a new idea on a list with
> a heartily meant
On 1/12/2016 5:42 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
a) Some people won't feel welcome if they don't see one
b) Malicious people will spread rumors about our project for not having one ,
but if we have one, it has to protect us from them working within the rules,
but pushing everyone's buttons.
c) and if
Kevin Grittner writes:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
>> I thought we were already at that point; see Regina Obe's posts.
> Oh, are you referring to this:?
> http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/001201d14c96$fc26ed70$f474c850$@pcorp.us
Sent: 11 January 2016 22:00
To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe'
Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
PostgreSQL Global D
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
> comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
> appearance, body size or race.
... for of _off-topic_ comments related to ...
Since
Steve,
Please see the new thread WIP: CoC V2
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Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't
control your own emotions, so everyone else
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC):
1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing
a safe, respectful, productive, and collaborative place for any person
who is willing
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:42 PM, FarjadFarid(ChkNet)
wrote:
Five days (and I don't know how many posts) ago, there was this:
http://www.postgresql.org/message-id/20160106184818.gt21...@crankycanuck.ca
Which said in part:
> The other thing I note is that the
"Regina Obe" writes:
> How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
> https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
> I would dismiss her as a troll and kindly say, don't tell us who we can have
> and who we can't.
Hm ... that thread makes me uncomfortable, because I
On 01/11/2016 02:08 PM, Adrian Klaver wrote:
On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC):
1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and
22:00
> To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Kevin Grittner'; 'Regina Obe'
> Cc: 'Tom Lane'; 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
>
> Hello,
>
> Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
>
Adrian Klaver wrote:
> On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> >3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
> >comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
> >appearance, body size or race.
>
> Well that renders this thread:
>
>
On 12/01/16 11:21, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is free
comments related to gender, sexual orientation, disability, physical
appearance, body size or race.
... for of
22:21
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time? (WIP CoC)
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 02:00:22PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
> 3. A safe, respectful, productive and collaborative environment is
> free comments related to gender, sexual orien
Kevin Grittner writes:
> I'm going to give this a belated +1, and ignore any further posts on
> this thread.
> If someone wants to take the step of posting a concrete proposal,
> please start a new thread with a different subject line.
I thought we were already at that point;
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> Kevin Grittner writes:
>> If someone wants to take the step of posting a concrete proposal,
>> please start a new thread with a different subject line.
>
> I thought we were already at that point; see
On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:00:23 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" wrote:
> A CoC is not about being offended. The act of being offended is
> purely a recipients response and usually because the recipient is
> more interested in being a victim than moving forward.
I've seen text like
Kevin Grittner writes:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
>> How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
>> https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
> I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread
> with
ALL:
Please move comments to the new thread: WIP: CoC
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Announcing "I'm offended" is basically telling the world you can't
control your own emotions, so
On 01/11/2016 01:36 PM, Alvaro Herrera wrote:
Kevin Grittner wrote:
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to
Regina Obe wrote:
>
> If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym.
> Notwithstanding the most regrettable childhood trauma, this request is
> exactly the kind of ridiculousness that the Political Correctness nonsense
> associated with CoCs that we should be worried about in the
On 01/11/2016 02:00 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
Hello,
Below please find a WIP CoC for the PostgreSQL.Org project:
PostgreSQL Global Development Group (PGDG) Code of Conduct (CoC):
1. The CoC is to provide community guidelines for creating and enforcing
a safe, respectful, productive, and
Regina Obe wrote:
If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym.
Notwithstanding the most regrettable childhood trauma, this request is
exactly the kind of ridiculousness that the Political Correctness
nonsense associated with CoCs that we should be worried about in the
On 11/01/16 15:00, Andrew Sullivan wrote:
Someone (never mind who, this isn't intended to be a blame-game
message) wrote:
Am I, as a mere male […] :-)
It was me.
The phrase "Mere Male" was title of a column I read in NZ Women's Weekly
that my mother bought when I was a teenager.
>>> An
On 1/11/16, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
>
>> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example,
>> we
>> in Russia are not really concern about this.
>
> Russian offers a "Mr.Bartunov" and a
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 01:50:50AM -0800, Vitaly Burovoy wrote:
> > On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> >
> >> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example,
> >> we
> >> in Russia are not really concern about this.
> >
> > Russian offers a
On 11/01/16 19:13, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
[...]
Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for
example, we in Russia are not really concern about this.
[...]
I started using 'Gender Appropriate' language long before this PC
nonsense started up. Back in those days the word
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 03:27:43PM +0900, Michael Paquier wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> > Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we
> > in Russia are not really concern about this.
>
> This depends on how
On понедельник, 11 января 2016 г. 12:24:37 MSK, Karsten Hilbert wrote:
OTOH, there's a whole bunch of words denoting levels and
sublevels of politeness for each and every situation.
Politeness but not gender differences. Perhaps just for kids (-chan/-kun).
--
Yury Zhuravlev
Postgres
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 09:13:32AM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we
> in Russia are not really concern about this.
Russian offers a "Mr.Bartunov" and a "Mrs.Bartunova". Am I mistaken ?
Karsten Hilbert
--
GPG key ID
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:57:11PM +0300, Yury Zhuravlev wrote:
> >OTOH, there's a whole bunch of words denoting levels and
> >sublevels of politeness for each and every situation.
> Politeness but not gender differences. Perhaps just for kids (-chan/-kun).
Well, traditionally not. But
Tom Lane wrote:
> In my admittedly-limited experience with dealing with such problems,
> it's a lot easier to achieve positive results if you can discuss
> issues in private, before people's positions harden.
>
> In short, I wouldn't characterize that complainant as "a troll" for
> the substance
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
> How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
>
> https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread
with (when I looked) 374 messages, but if the gist of
Kevin Grittner wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 2:58 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
>
> > How would you feel about the original thread that started this.
> >
> > https://github.com/opal/opal/issues/941
>
> I'm not interested in opal, and don't have time to read a thread
> with (when I
I don't know about others.
But this whole thread has completely gone off the original track. With so many
splinter topics. It has no hope of ever completing with any kind of resolution
satisfying even 10% of contributors.
Can be please stick to the core original topics? Whether we agree with
"Regina Obe" writes:
> Sorry screwed up sending this email the first time. Trying again:
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
>>> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make
>>> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and
> Hmm. I'm not sure that telling us that should amount to an offense; such
a person might even have a good idea from time to time.
> Now, if the person is rude about it, that would be an offense, but that
should already be covered under other sections of the CoC no?
> Another possibly
> On Jan 10, 2016, at 2:59 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote:
>
> On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
>
>>> JD
>>
>> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
>> I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
>> you
>
Buford Tannen wrote:
Regina Obe wrote:
Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by
saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be
dangerous. ...
So please whatever you do, ... do not
choose this one or anything that looks like it:
Hi,
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 10:10:23PM +1300, Gavin Flower wrote:
> The phrase "Mere Male" was title of a column I read in NZ Women's Weekly
> that my mother bought when I was a teenager.
That's nice. I still found it offensive enough in the context to
think it worthy of note. (I'm not really
>ISTM that if we develop a code of conduct, it would need to be designed to
> insulate the community and individuals within it from becoming targets of
> legal action. "Mike said I was bad at postgres, it hurt my consulting and I
> want to sue Joe for replying-all and upping the hit-count
Brian,
>> We expect of everyone in our spaces to try their best to do the same
>> in a kind and gentle manner. If you feel it's just a minor offense and
>> the person didn't mean harm by it,
>>
>> simply ignore it unless the pattern of talk continues. If the person
>> continues or they say
Hello,
A lot of good discussion has happened on this thread and as a whole I
think it has been determined that if done correctly, a CoC would not be
a bad idea. Of course we need to write one.
A CoC is about providing a safe, respectful, productive, and
collaborative place for any person
> We expect of everyone in our spaces to try their best to do the same in a
> kind and gentle manner. If you feel it's just a minor offense and the person
> didn't mean harm by it,
>
> simply ignore it unless the pattern of talk continues. If the person
> continues or they say something you feel
'Gavin Flower' <gavinflo...@archidevsys.co.nz>;
'PostgreSQL General' <pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?
Hello,
A lot of good discussion has happened on this thread and as a whole I think it
has been determined that if done corr
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
> HANDLING ISSUES
...
> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make
> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and
> request you to change or leave.
May I kindly ask for a bit more explanation on this
> Regina,
> Although I can appreciate your sensitivity to the terminology based on your
> experience (and I am very sorry to read about that), I don't think it is
> reasonable to change from an Industry Standard acronym on that basis.
> Sincerely,
> JD
Fair enough.
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Sent via
Sorry screwed up sending this email the first time. Trying again:
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 12:39:12PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
>> HANDLING ISSUES
>...
>> If you have contributed nothing to our project and you make
>> demands for change, we will try to tell you that kindly and
>> request you
On 01/11/2016 11:10 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
Josh,
If we do write a CoC, can we give it a different acronym. I'm going to say
something very sensitive here, so don't think I am joking.
When I was 5 I was raped by a next door neighbor. Everytime I here people talk
about Cocs and how silencing
Someone (never mind who, this isn't intended to be a blame-game
message) wrote:
> Am I, as a mere male […] :-)
Even with the smiley, _this_ is the sort of thing that causes
discussions to wander into hopeless weeds from which projects cannot
emerge. I _know_ it is tempting to make this kind of
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 9:44 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
> > On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
>
> >> So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold:
> >>
> >> A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular
> >> community.
> >> B) Provide a process for how to resolve things
On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
> Some people don't understand all these issues with she/he, for example, we
> in Russia are not really concern about this.
This depends on how the language is built. For example in French I
think it would matter (not
On 10/01/16 22:55, John R Pierce wrote:
On 1/9/2016 11:57 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:
I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ),
when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus
remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been
> I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when
Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained
calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been obviously
annoyed within the first 5 minutes. As backround see:
>
On 1/9/2016 11:57 PM, Gavin Flower wrote:
I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ),
when Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus
remained calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been
obviously annoyed within the first 5
On 1/9/2016 11:37 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by
saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be
dangerous. I fear for your safety.
indeed. I think this man said it best.
https://youtu.be/PjVbypiUOHA?t=35s
On Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:36:23 -0800
"Joshua D. Drake" wrote:
> Hey,
>
> For the record, my thoughts on a CoC are something like:
>
> 1. Be excellent to each other
> 2. If you don't know what that means, leave
> 3. If someone isn't being excellent please contact: XYZ
>
>
Hey,
For the record, my thoughts on a CoC are something like:
1. Be excellent to each other
2. If you don't know what that means, leave
3. If someone isn't being excellent please contact: XYZ
With XYZ being a committee that determines the ABCs.
Or in other words something like this (without
On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold:
A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular
community.
B) Provide a process for how to resolve things when "being
excellent" doesn't happen.
Without #1, nobody will want to do #2, as it's
> On 01/10/2016 08:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
>> So, the purpose of a CoC is twofold:
>>
>> A) Define what "being excellent" means to this particular
>> community.
>> B) Provide a process for how to resolve things when "being
>> excellent" doesn't happen.
>>
>> Without #1, nobody will want
On 11/01/16 07:44, Regina Obe wrote:
[...]
This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
you
1) Are helpful when I ask a question
2) Stick to the topic
3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like "Please
On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
JD
This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
you
I think this is reasonable but my point is that we don't care if you are
sexist (in terms of .Org).
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 01:44:37PM -0500, Regina Obe wrote:
> 1) Are helpful when I ask a question
> 2) Stick to the topic
> 3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like "Please stop top posting"
> and if you really need to - A polite we prefer top posting would do
>
> 4) Are sensitive to people on
On 10/01/16 18:44, Regina Obe wrote:
>
> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor
> I don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long as
> you
>
> 1) Are helpful when I ask a question
> 2) Stick to the topic
> 3) Don't get into petty etiquettes like
>> She won Red Hat Woman of the Year Award -
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/about/women-in-open-source
>>
>> Sarah Sharp
>> 2015 Community Award winner
>>
>> Am I the only one concerned about some of the women role models we have
in
>> FOSS?
> Am I, as a mere male, entitled to have an opinion on
On 10/01/16 21:31, Regina Obe wrote:
I was at the 2015 Australian Linux Conference (held in Auckland, NZ), when
Sarah Sharp harangued Linus Torvalds for over 20 minutes. Linus remained
calm and polite throughout, yet most people would have been obviously
annoyed within the first 5 minutes. As
On 01/10/2016 02:05 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
Gavin,
I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac
centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right
information to help them, but this was not obvious until later in the
thread. I made some comment about
On Sun, Jan 10, 2016 at 5:09 PM, Adrian Klaver
wrote:
> On 01/10/2016 02:05 PM, Regina Obe wrote:
>
>> Gavin,
>>
>>> I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac
>>>
>> centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right
>>
> On 01/10/2016 10:44 AM, Regina Obe wrote:
>>> JD
>>
>> This may come as a big shock to many of you, but as a contributor I
>> don't care if you are racist, sexist, transphobic or whatever as long
>> as you
> I think this is reasonable but my point is that we don't care if you are
sexist (in
Gavin,
> I once went out of my way to help someone with Mac. They were so Mac
centric they did not realize that they were not giving us the right
information to help them, but this was not obvious until later in the
thread. I made some comment about Linux - next moment they were accusing
>
On 1/10/16 10:07 AM, Bill Moran wrote:
The fact that Postgres has not needed a CoC up till now is a
testiment to the quality of the people in the community. However,
if Postgres continues to be more popular, the number of people
involved is going to increase. Simply as a factor of statistics,
Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by
saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be
dangerous. I fear for your safety.
I think Roxanne mentioned some good points in an earlier thread that you
should itemize what you expect to achieve with
On 10/01/16 20:37, Regina Obe wrote:
Josh informed me you guys are thinking about a CoC. Let me start off by
saying that I don't think you need one and in fact having one may be
dangerous. I fear for your safety.
I think Roxanne mentioned some good points in an earlier thread that you
should
Hi All,
I just saw this thread.
I tend to agree with the general idea of having a code of conduct. If you are
on a long distance journey then it will help to have road signs every now and
then. Following your nose won't hurt but doesn't necessarily help either! LOL
More seriously, on the
2016-01-06 9:20 GMT+01:00 David Rowley :
> On 6 January 2016 at 20:36, Pavel Stehule wrote:
>
>> Almost all developers write code for job not for hobby.
>>
>
> As much as I'm trying not to get involved in this thread mainly due to my
> lack
On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 11:22:17AM -, FarjadFarid(ChkNet) wrote:
> I am not in favour of massive price structures but that
> there should be $100-$200 costs for smallest version. Times
> several million products. This may allow postgresql to reduce
> its prices on its the top of the range
> I agree with Jim, something is wrong, I see our developers community isn't
> growing and getting older.
> There is no formal problem to start contribute, but steep learning curve and
> lack of mentoring practice scare people.
The "Debian Med" Debian Blend has quite successfully used a
: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?
What are you talking about? What business structure? Commercial offerings can
and will continue to exist in terms of custom features or consulting.
Firstly, it ceases to be a community version when there is a charge. Secondly,
it would damage our
nal Message-
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[mailto:pgsql-general-ow...@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Karsten Hilbert
Sent: 06 January 2016 11:32
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?
On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 11:22:17AM -, FarjadFa
06 January 2016 11:32
To: pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?
On Wed, Jan 06, 2016 at 11:22:17AM -, FarjadFarid(ChkNet) wrote:
> I am not in favour of massive price structures but that there should
> be $100-$200 costs for smallest versi
rom
>other people's successes and failures.
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>I for one think everyone on the team have done a great job bringing
>postgresql to this stage.
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>Good luck
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>Farjad Farid
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>-Original Message-
>From: pgsql-general-ow...@postgresql.org
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All,
The subject of the discussion/track is to whether or not there should be a
code of condect (Coc).
Whether or not there should be a charge for PostgreSQL does not belong in
this track, and is, in fact, a moot point as PostgreSQL IS a _free_
database, as is this community board.
If you feel
On 1/6/16 2:17 AM, Victor Yegorov wrote:
Another very wanted change in the community is mentorship. Personally, I
don't feel confident to ask endless questions I have when looking into
the code, as I understand, that this might be a very basic (for
PostgreSQL hackers) stuff. For me it'd be a
06 January 2016 15:04
> To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?
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> > My only aim is further progress of postgresql.
> Charging for it would do exactly that. Most people would simply swit
Of James Keener
Sent: 06 January 2016 15:04
To: FarjadFarid(ChkNet); 'Karsten Hilbert'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Code of Conduct: Is it time?
> My only aim is further progress of postgresql.
Charging for it would do exactly that. Most people would simply switch to My
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