[HACKERS] redundancy and disk i/o

2000-12-03 Thread Sandeep Joshi
Hi, I have two questions 1. Is it possible to set up a set of redundant disks for a database? one of them being remote from the database? 2. If I want to use my i/o routines for disk i/o, is it possible? does postgres support such APIs? thanks, Sandeep

RE: [HACKERS] 8192 BLCKSZ ?]

2000-12-03 Thread Andrew Snow
> The cost difference between 32K vs 8K disk reads/writes are so small > these days when compared with overall cost of the disk operation itself, > that you can even measure it, well below 1%. Remember seek times > advertised on disks are an average. It has been said how small the difference is

[HACKERS] pg_ident.conf

2000-12-03 Thread anuradha
I have Red Hat Linux 6.2 , PostgreSQL 7.0.2. Could anybody help me to configure ident daemon using the file pg_ident.conf Thanks in advance, anuradha

[HACKERS] Using Threads?

2000-12-03 Thread Junfeng Zhang
Hello all, I am new to postgreSQL. When I read the documents, I find out the Postmaster daemon actual spawns a new backend server process to serve a new client request. Why not use threads instead? Is that just for a historical reason, or some performance/implementation concern? Thank you very m

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Don Baccus
At 03:35 PM 11/30/00 -0800, Nathan Myers wrote: >On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 07:02:01PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: >> >> v7.1 should improve crash recovery ... >> ... with the WAL stuff that Vadim is producing, you'll be able to >> recover up until the point that the power cable was pulled out o

[HACKERS] Postgresql on dynix/ptx system

2000-12-03 Thread Radek Fleks
Hi I'm compiling (not, I'm trying to compile) last version of Postgresql on Sequent Dynix/ptx ver 4.4.7 system. Under compilation process with gcc (ver 2.7.2 ported on dynix/pt) is reporting several errors. If someone is ready to help me with this process please send me answer. Radek

postgres docs (was Re: [HACKERS] Crash during WAL recovery?)

2000-12-03 Thread Norman Clarke
Hello, Before the Thanksgiving holiday here in the US I had been following with great interest the thread regarding Vadim's English and the postgres docs. Since this was posted about 200 messages ago, I replied as a new thread... I hope you don't mind! I am interested in volunteering some tim

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Tom Lane
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathan Myers) writes: > On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 09:13:28PM +1100, Philip Warner wrote: >> You have raised some interesting issues regrading write-order etc. Can we >> assume that when fsync *returns*, all records are written - though not >> necessarily in the order that the IO's

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Don Baccus
At 01:06 PM 12/3/00 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Open source software is a >privilege, I admit that I don't subscribe to Stallman's "source to software is a right" argument. That's far off my reality map. > and nobody has the right to call someone "irresponsible" >because they want to get

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Nathan Myers
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 12:00:12AM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Nathan Myers wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 07:02:01PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > v7.1 should improve crash recovery ... > > > ... with the WAL stuff that Vadim is producing, you'll be able to

[HACKERS] RI tutorial hack reading needed

2000-12-03 Thread Joel Burton
(apologies for posting directly to pgsql-hackers, but I'm asking for a hacker to explicitly check on the accuracy of another posting!) I've written (& submitted to pgsql-docs) a tutorial on using RI features and on alter the system catalog to change RI properties for existing relationships. I ne

Re: [HACKERS] compiling pg 7.0.3 on sco 5.0.5

2000-12-03 Thread Billy G. Allie
Tom Lane wrote: > This is a header bug (there's a backend header file that some bright > soul put a static function declaration into :-( ... and the function Actually, it's a static function, not a declaration. The DISABLE_COMPLEX_MACRO definition was originally put in to work around a macro siz

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Gary MacDougall
bingo. Not just third-party app's, but think of all the vertical products that include PG... I'm right now wondering if TIVO uses it? You have to think that PG will show up in some pretty interesting money making products... So yes, had you not got the ball rolling well, you know what I'm

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 08:53:08PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Gary MacDougall wrote: > > > > > > If you write a program which stands on its own, takes no work from > > > > uncompensated parties, then you have the unambig

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 08:53:08PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Gary MacDougall wrote: > > > > If you write a program which stands on its own, takes no work from > > > uncompensated parties, then you have the unambiguous right to do what > > > ever you want. > > > > That

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Gary MacDougall wrote: > I'm agreeing with the people like SePICK and erServer. > I'm only being sort of cheeky in saying that they wouldn't have had a > product had > it not been for the Open Source that they are leveraging off of. So, basically, if I hadn't pulled together

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Ross J. Reedstrom wrote: > > If this is the impression that someone gave, I am shocked ... Thomas > > himself has already posted stating that it was a scheduale slip on his > > part. > > Actually, Thomas said: > > Thomas> Hmm. What has kept replication from happening in th

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Gary MacDougall
Correct me if I'm wrong but in the last 3 years what company that you know of didn't consider an IPO part of the "business and such". Most tech companies that have been formed in the last 4 - 5 years have one thing on the brain--IPO. It's the #1 thing (sadly) that they care about. I only wished

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Gary MacDougall
I'm agreeing with the people like SePICK and erServer. I'm only being sort of cheeky in saying that they wouldn't have had a product had it not been for the Open Source that they are leveraging off of. Making money? I don't know what they're plans are, but at some point I would fully expect *some

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Thomas Lockhart
> I'm still anxious to see the core patches needed to support replication. > Since you've leaked that they work going back to v6.5, I have a feeling > the approach may not be the one I was hoping for. There are no core patches required to support replication. This has been said already, but perha

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Ross J. Reedstrom
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 08:49:09PM -0400, The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Hannu Krosing wrote: > > > > > IIRC, this thread woke up on someone complaining about PostgreSQl inc > > promising > > to release some code for replication in mid-october and asking for > > confirmation >

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Don Baccus wrote: > At 11:00 PM 12/2/00 -0800, Vadim Mikheev wrote: > >> There is risk here. It isn't so much in the fact that PostgreSQL, Inc > >> is doing a couple of modest closed-source things with the code. After > >> all, the PG community has long acknowleged that the

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Gary MacDougall wrote: > > If you write a program which stands on its own, takes no work from > > uncompensated parties, then you have the unambiguous right to do what > > ever you want. > > Thats a given. okay, then now I'm confused ... neither SePICK or erServer are derive

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, mlw wrote: > Hannu Krosing wrote: > > > I know this is a borderline rant, and I am sorry, but I think it is very > > > important that the integrity of open source be preserved at 100% because > > > it is a very slippery slope, and we are all surrounded by the temptation > > >

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sun, 3 Dec 2000, Hannu Krosing wrote: > The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > > > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Don Baccus wrote: > > > > > > I *am* one of those volunteers > > > > > > Yes, I well remember you screwing up PG 7.0 just before beta, without bothering > > > to test your code, and leaving on vacati

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Peter Bierman
At 5:17 PM -0500 12/3/00, mlw wrote: >I honestly feel that it is wrong to take what others have shared and use >it for the basis of something you will not share, and I can't understand >how anyone could think differently. Yeah, it really sucks when companies that are in buisness to make money by

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Tom Lane
> mlw wrote: [heavily edited] >> No, not at all. At least for me, if I write code which is dependent on >> the open source work of others, then hell yes, that work should also be >> open source. That, to me, is the difference between right and wrong. >> I honestly feel that it is wrong to take wh

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Jan Wieck
Adam Haberlach wrote: >In any case, can we create pgsql-politics so we don't have to go over > this issue every three months? Can we create pgsql-benchmarks while we > are at it, to take care of the other thread that keeps popping up? pgsql-yawn, where any of them can happen as often and

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Hannu Krosing
mlw wrote: > > Hannu Krosing wrote: > > > I know this is a borderline rant, and I am sorry, but I think it is very > > > important that the integrity of open source be preserved at 100% because > > > it is a very slippery slope, and we are all surrounded by the temptation > > > cheat the spirit o

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Nathan Myers
On Sun, Dec 03, 2000 at 05:17:36PM -0500, mlw wrote: > ... if I write code which is dependent on > the open source work of others, then hell yes, that work should also be > open source. That, to me, is the difference between right and wrong. This is short and I will say no more: The entire socia

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Gary MacDougall
> No, not at all. At least for me, if I write code which is dependent on > the open source work of others, then hell yes, that work should also be > open source. That, to me, is the difference between right and wrong. > Actually, your not legally bound to anything if you write "new" additional co

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread mlw
Gary MacDougall wrote: > > > No, not at all. At least for me, if I write code which is dependent on > > the open source work of others, then hell yes, that work should also be > > open source. That, to me, is the difference between right and wrong. > > > > Actually, your not legally bound to any

Re: [HACKERS] broken locale in 7.0.2 without multibyte support (FreeBSD 4.1-RELEASE) ?

2000-12-03 Thread Tom Lane
Oleg Bartunov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote a couple months ago: It's clear that we must use 'unsigned char' instead of 'char' and corrected version runs ok on both systems. That's why I suspect that gcc 2.95.2 has different default under FreeBSD which could cause problem with LC_C

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Trond Eivind GlomsrØd
"Gary MacDougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > No offense Trond, if you were in on the Red Hat IPO from the start, > you'd have to say those people made "good money". I'm talking about the business as such, not the IPO where the price went stratospheric (we were priced like we were earning 1 or

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Gary MacDougall
No offense Trond, if you were in on the Red Hat IPO from the start, you'd have to say those people made "good money". Bad market or good market, those "friends of Red Hat" made some serious coin. Let me clarify, I'm not against this process (and making money), I just think there is an issue with

[HACKERS] RI tutorial needs tech review

2000-12-03 Thread Joel Burton
(I posted this yesterday, but it never appeared. Apologies if it's a duplicate to you.) I've written (& submitted to pgsql-docs) a tutorial on using RI features and on alter the system catalog to change RI properties for existing relationships. I needs polishing, etc., but, mostly it needs som

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread mlw
Hannu Krosing wrote: > > I know this is a borderline rant, and I am sorry, but I think it is very > > important that the integrity of open source be preserved at 100% because > > it is a very slippery slope, and we are all surrounded by the temptation > > cheat the spirit of open source "just a li

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Hannu Krosing
The Hermit Hacker wrote: > > On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Don Baccus wrote: > > > > I *am* one of those volunteers > > > > Yes, I well remember you screwing up PG 7.0 just before beta, without bothering > > to test your code, and leaving on vacation. > > > > You were irresponsible then, and you're being

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Hannu Krosing
mlw wrote: > > Thomas Lockhart wrote: > > > As soon as you find a business model which does not require income, let > > me know. The .com'ers are trying it at the moment, and there seems to be > > a few flaws... ;) > > While I have not contributed anything to Postgres yet, I have > contributed

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Trond Eivind GlomsrØd
"Gary MacDougall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I think this trend is MUCH bigger than what Postgres, Inc. is > doing... its happening all over the comminity. Heck take a look > around... Jabber, Postgres, Red Hat, SuSe, Storm etc. etc. these > companies are making good money off a business pla

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 4 Dec 2000, Horst Herb wrote: > > > Branding. Phone support lines. Legal departments/Lawsuit prevention. > Figuring > > > out how to prevent open source from stealing the thunder by duplicating > ^^ > > > features. And building

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Hannu Krosing
Don Baccus wrote: > > At 04:42 AM 12/3/00 +, Thomas Lockhart wrote: > >> This statement of yours kinda belittles the work done over the past > >> few years by volunteers. > > > >imho it does not, > > Sure it does. You in essence are saying that "advanced replication is so > hard that it cou

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Don Baccus wrote: > > I *am* one of those volunteers > > Yes, I well remember you screwing up PG 7.0 just before beta, without bothering > to test your code, and leaving on vacation. > > You were irresponsible then, and you're being irresponsible now. Okay, so let me get

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Sat, 2 Dec 2000, Adam Haberlach wrote: > In any case, can we create pgsql-politics so we don't have to go over > this issue every three months? Can we create pgsql-benchmarks while we > are at it, to take care of the other thread that keeps popping up? no skin off my back: pgs

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread mlw
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > mlw writes: > > > There are hundreds (thousands?) of people that have contributed to the > > development of Postgres, either directly with code, or beta testing, > > with the assumption that they are benefiting a community. Many would > > probably not have done so if

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Gary MacDougall
I think this trend is MUCH bigger than what Postgres, Inc. is doing... its happening all over the comminity. Heck take a look around... Jabber, Postgres, Red Hat, SuSe, Storm etc. etc. these companies are making good money off a business plan that was basically "hey, lets take some of that open s

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Vadim Mikheev
> >I totaly missed your point here. How closing source of ERserver is related > >to closing code of PostgreSQL DB server? Let me clear things: > > (not based on WAL) > > That's wasn't clear from the blurb. > > Still, this notion that PG, Inc will start producing closed-source products > poisons

Re: [HACKERS] COPY BINARY is broken...

2000-12-03 Thread Tom Lane
Adriaan Joubert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Copy binary recently broke on me after upgrading to 7.0. I think you're talking about binary copy via the frontend, which has a different set of problems. To fix that, we need to make some protocol changes, which would (preferably) also apply to non-

Re: [HACKERS] COPY BINARY is broken...

2000-12-03 Thread Adriaan Joubert
Hi, I would very much like some way of writing binary data to a database. Copy binary recently broke on me after upgrading to 7.0. I have large simulation codes and writing lots of floats to the database by converting them to text first is 1) a real pain, 2) slow and 3) can lead to unexpe

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Don Baccus
At 11:00 PM 12/2/00 -0800, Vadim Mikheev wrote: >> There is risk here. It isn't so much in the fact that PostgreSQL, Inc >> is doing a couple of modest closed-source things with the code. After >> all, the PG community has long acknowleged that the BSD license would >> allow others to co-op the

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread mlw
Thomas Lockhart wrote: > As soon as you find a business model which does not require income, let > me know. The .com'ers are trying it at the moment, and there seems to be > a few flaws... ;) While I have not contributed anything to Postgres yet, I have contributed to other environments. The pro

[HACKERS] Patches applied

2000-12-03 Thread Thomas Lockhart
I've applied Neale Ferguson's patches for S/390 support, and some fairly extensive patches to repair and improve support for the OVERLAPS operator. I've increased coverage of this in the regression tests, including horology, so those platforms which have variants on these test results will need to

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Horst Herb
> > How long until the entire code base gets co-opted? > > Yeah so what? Nobody's forcing you to use, buy, or pay attention to any > such efforts. The market will determine whether the release model of > PostgreSQL, Inc. appeals to customers. Open source software is a > privilege, and nobody ha

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Horst Herb
> > Branding. Phone support lines. Legal departments/Lawsuit prevention. Figuring > > out how to prevent open source from stealing the thunder by duplicating ^^ > > features. And building a _product_. Oops. You didn't really mean that,

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Ned Lilly
Ron Chmara wrote: > As it is, any company trying to make a closed version of an open source > product has some _massive_ work to do. Manuals. Documentation. Sales. > Branding. Phone support lines. Legal departments/Lawsuit prevention. Figuring > out how to prevent open source from stealing the th

Re: [HACKERS] beta testing version

2000-12-03 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Don Baccus writes: > How long until the entire code base gets co-opted? Yeah so what? Nobody's forcing you to use, buy, or pay attention to any such efforts. The market will determine whether the release model of PostgreSQL, Inc. appeals to customers. Open source software is a privilege, and