Re: [HACKERS] Upcoming PG re-releases

2005-12-10 Thread Joshua D. Drake
Bruce Momjian wrote: I don't see it asked very often, and I think our 8.1 releae note addition (plus a mention in the 8.1.1 notes) will complete this. Actually a "upgrade" FAQ is probably a good idea. Something that says what really happens when foo changes in 8.1 or how foo is different th

[HACKERS] New packages built ...

2005-12-10 Thread Marc G. Fournier
7.3.12, 7.4.10, 8.0.5 and 8.1.1 ... all should be available on the ftp mirrors by now ... please take a quick peak at them, and let us know if there appear to be any problems with them ... General announce of availability going out on monday ... Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Networ

Re: [HACKERS] Upcoming PG re-releases

2005-12-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
I don't see it asked very often, and I think our 8.1 releae note addition (plus a mention in the 8.1.1 notes) will complete this. --- Robert Treat wrote: > Was thinking if someone could summarize this all it would make a rea

Re: [HACKERS] Reducing relation locking overhead

2005-12-10 Thread Tom Lane
Hannu Krosing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How do you plan to determine "any rows not already present in the index" > without explicitly remembering the start and end snapshots of existing > CREATE INDEX (SNAP1 and SNAP2 in my proposal)? I was thinking in terms of actually looking into the index

Re: [HACKERS] Backslashes in string literals

2005-12-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
Kevin Grittner wrote: > >>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2005 at 11:24 am, in message > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Eisentraut > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Kevin Grittner wrote: > >> direction PostgreSQL is headed is to drop the nonstandard escapes, > >> unless an extended literal is explicitly used. I've

Re: [HACKERS] Reducing relation locking overhead

2005-12-10 Thread Hannu Krosing
Ühel kenal päeval, N, 2005-12-08 kell 14:53, kirjutas Tom Lane: > Given the discussion so far, it seems likely to me that completely > concurrent REINDEX is indeed out of reach, and that what we ought to > be thinking about is what sort of compromise design (ie, partially > concurrent REINDEX) is r

Re: [HACKERS] Warm-cache prefetching

2005-12-10 Thread Qingqing Zhou
"Simon Riggs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote > > You may be trying to use the memory too early. Prefetched memory takes > time to arrive in cache, so you may need to issue prefetch calls for N > +2, N+3 etc rather than simply N+1. > > p.6-11 covers this. > I actually tried it and no improvements have

Re: [HACKERS] Upcoming PG re-releases

2005-12-10 Thread Robert Treat
Was thinking if someone could summarize this all it would make a really good FAQ entry. Robert Treat On Friday 09 December 2005 13:28, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 12:38:21PM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > This means someone who is planning on upgrading to 8.1 in t

Re: [HACKERS] Log of CREATE USER statement

2005-12-10 Thread Simon Riggs
On Sat, 2005-12-10 at 11:15 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Simon Riggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 19:41 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > >> Maybe we should provide a backslash command in psql > > > That is a good option, but not the only option required. > > There are many re

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sat, Dec 10, 2005 at 14:25:46 -0300, Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > > > >However there is an effort to get rid of root in some Unix lands, > > >separating its responsabilities with more granularity. Maybe there > > >could be an effort, not to hand-hold

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Joshua D. Drake
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Re: [HACKERS] Warm-cache prefetching

2005-12-10 Thread Kenneth Marshall
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 11:32:48AM -0500, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > Bruce Momjian writes: > > > I can see that being useful for a single-user application that doesn't > > > have locking or I/O bottlenecks, and doesn't have a multi-stage design > > > like a database. Do we do enou

Re: [HACKERS] Backslashes in string literals

2005-12-10 Thread Kevin Grittner
>>> On Fri, Dec 9, 2005 at 11:24 am, in message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Peter Eisentraut <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Kevin Grittner wrote: >> direction PostgreSQL is headed is to drop the nonstandard escapes, >> unless an extended literal is explicitly used. I've attached a patch >> which supports

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > >However there is an effort to get rid of root in some Unix lands, > >separating its responsabilities with more granularity. Maybe there > >could be an effort, not to hand-hold the true superusers, but to > >delegate some of its responsabilities to other users. > > Like

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > However there is an effort to get rid of root in some Unix lands, > > separating its responsabilities with more granularity. Maybe there > > could be an effort, not to hand-hold the true superusers, but to > > delegate some of its re

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Joshua D. Drake
However there is an effort to get rid of root in some Unix lands, separating its responsabilities with more granularity. Maybe there could be an effort, not to hand-hold the true superusers, but to delegate some of its responsabilities to other users. Like sudo? Joshua D. Drake

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Tom Lane
Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > However there is an effort to get rid of root in some Unix lands, > separating its responsabilities with more granularity. Maybe there > could be an effort, not to hand-hold the true superusers, but to > delegate some of its responsabilities to other us

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Tom Lane wrote: > If you are superuser, you can do anything you want, up to and including > breaking the system irretrievably. Compare "rm -rf /" on Unix. We > won't be putting training wheels on superuser status for the same > reasons that no one finds it a good idea to restrict root's abilities

Re: [HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Tom Lane
Guillaume LELARGE <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Apparently, I can rename all schemas, even system schemas ! > metier=# alter schema pg_catalog rename to foobar; > ALTER SCHEMA If you are superuser, you can do anything you want, up to and including breaking the system irretrievably. Compare "rm -r

[HACKERS] pgInstaller 8.1.1

2005-12-10 Thread Dave Page
I've just uploaded pgInstaller 8.1.1 - it should be at http://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/binary/v8.1.1/binary/win32 within an hour or so. Please take a peek as soon as possible if you have a Windows box and report any problems before any announcements go out. This include PostgreSQL 8.1.1 of course, a

Re: [HACKERS] Log of CREATE USER statement

2005-12-10 Thread Tom Lane
Simon Riggs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 19:41 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: >> Maybe we should provide a backslash command in psql > That is a good option, but not the only option required. > There are many reasons to need to supply the password as part of a > command, ra

Re: [HACKERS] Min Xid problem proposal

2005-12-10 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Simon Riggs wrote: > From what's been said VACUUM FREEZE will not alter the fact that a > frozen table will need vacuuming again in the future and so cannot ever > be read-only. I can't really see any reason to run VACUUM FREEZE... Yeah. > If you want to make a table read-only forever, we need a

Re: [HACKERS] int to inet conversion [or Re: inet to bigint?]

2005-12-10 Thread Bruce Momjian
We have a patch for this for application to 8.2. --- Volkan YAZICI wrote: > On Dec 08 04:36, Kai wrote: > > After working regularly with inet values in sql, it would be nice to be able > > to do this: > > > > => select

Re: [HACKERS] Log of CREATE USER statement

2005-12-10 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 19:41 +0100, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Tom Lane wrote: > > As I said already, if the user wishes the password to be secure, he > > needs to encrypt it on the client side. > > Maybe we should provide a backslash command in psql That is a good option, but not the only option

Re: [HACKERS] Min Xid problem proposal

2005-12-10 Thread Simon Riggs
On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 12:32 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > Alvaro Herrera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > My proposal to solve that problem, is to make any transaction that > > inserts or modifies tuples in a table that is marked as frozen, unfreeze > > it first. The problem I had last time was finding

Re: [HACKERS] Replication on the backend

2005-12-10 Thread Markus Schiltknecht
Hello, On Fri, 2005-12-09 at 08:47 -0500, Christopher Browne wrote: > We *know* (particularly those of us that have had involvement in > actually implementing replication systems used in production > environments) that "user space" implementations of replication can > function satisfactorily. We'

Re: [HACKERS] int to inet conversion [or Re: inet to bigint?]

2005-12-10 Thread Volkan YAZICI
On Dec 08 04:36, Kai wrote: > After working regularly with inet values in sql, it would be nice to be able > to do this: > > => select '192.168.1.1'::inet + 1 as result; > result > - >192.168.1.2 > (1 row) You may take a look at ip4r[1] project t

[HACKERS] Something I don't understand with the use of schemas

2005-12-10 Thread Guillaume LELARGE
Hi, At my work, I have to dump a database and restore it on another database under a specific schema. My first idea was to create the new schema on the old database, move all the database objects on this new schema, dump the old db and restore on the new one. But I have to move quite a lot of o