Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-25 Thread Denis Perchine
> > Did we decide against LAZY? Seems we have a number of people > > concerned about vacuum downtime, and I can see this as a win > > for them. If they don't specify LAZY, the code is not run. > > First sorry that I wasn't able to deal with vlazy earlier. > > Now I have one more open item for 7.1

RE: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Mikheev, Vadim
> Did we decide against LAZY? Seems we have a number of people > concerned about vacuum downtime, and I can see this as a win > for them. If they don't specify LAZY, the code is not run. First sorry that I wasn't able to deal with vlazy earlier. Now I have one more open item for 7.1 - restoring

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Lamar Owen
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Did we decide against LAZY? Seems we have a number of people concerned > about vacuum downtime, and I can see this as a win for them. If they > don't specify LAZY, the code is not run. I see a number of possibilities: 1.) A tested 'feature patch' available for sepa

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2001-01-24 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Tom Lane wrote: > Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Did we decide against LAZY? > > I thought the core consensus was that it was too risky to install > post-beta. On the other hand, we're installing some other pretty > major fixes. Do we want to re-open that dis

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Bruce Momjian
Did we decide against LAZY? Seems we have a number of people concerned about vacuum downtime, and I can see this as a win for them. If they don't specify LAZY, the code is not run. > The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > should be easily testable though, no? > > What makes you thi

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Did we decide against LAZY? I thought the core consensus was that it was too risky to install post-beta. On the other hand, we're installing some other pretty major fixes. Do we want to re-open that discussion? regards, tom la

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-12 Thread Nathan Myers
On Mon, Dec 11, 2000 at 11:32:17PM -0500, Tom Lane wrote: > The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > worst case, we pull it out afterwards ... > > No, worst case is that we release a seriously broken 7.1, and don't > find out till afterwards. > > There are plenty of new features on my t

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Andrew Snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001211 20:21] wrote: > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: > > > "Mikheev, Vadim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. > > > Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate >

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: > The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > should be easily testable though, no? > > What makes you think that? Alfred could volunteer to move to v7.1? *grin*

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Lane
The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > should be easily testable though, no? What makes you think that? > worst case, we pull it out afterwards ... No, worst case is that we release a seriously broken 7.1, and don't find out till afterwards. There are plenty of new features on my to

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > I'd vote for the second choice. I do not think we should be adding new > > features now. Also, I don't know about you, but I have enough bug fix, > > testing, and documentation work to keep me busy till January even > > without any new features... > > It'd be really naughty to add it to the

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: > The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > I'd almost extend that to the point that it is probably more tested right > > now then any other feature that has been added to v7.1 pre-beta, > > considering my knowledge of Alfred's environment ... > > And

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Andrew Snow
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: > "Mikheev, Vadim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. > > Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate > > changes into 7.2. > > I'd vote for the second choice. I do not

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Lane
The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I'd almost extend that to the point that it is probably more tested right > now then any other feature that has been added to v7.1 pre-beta, > considering my knowledge of Alfred's environment ... And wasn't Alfred hollering yesterday about sudden in

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But we just entered beta. Can't we let this slide? Seems like a nice > feature. I can't image it delaying anything. I can imagine it *breaking* lots of things. We just today discovered that we didn't understand the interaction between VACUUM and TOA

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
> A few points in favor of including this ... first, when Vadim does do the > storage manager rewrite for v7.2, the patch is essentially useless ... and > second, its currently being used in production on a server that is/will > tax it heavily, so it isn't untested ... > > I'd almost extend that

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: > "Mikheev, Vadim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. > > Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate > > changes into 7.2. > > I'd vote for the second choice. I do not t

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Lane
"Mikheev, Vadim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. > Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate > changes into 7.2. I'd vote for the second choice. I do not think we should be adding new features now. Also,

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Thanks. The other good item is that is already being used in production use, so it seems it is pretty well tested. > > Go for it Vadim ... it is only a couple of days in, and I know there are > several places I could personally use it ... > > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > >

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
Go for it Vadim ... it is only a couple of days in, and I know there are several places I could personally use it ... On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. > > > Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
> > If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. > > Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate > > changes into 7.2. > > > > Comments? > > IMHO, we are in beta now and this doesn't fix a bug ... if we could make > this available as a patch in /cont

RE: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mikheev, Vadim wrote: > > > > If Vadim isn't sufficiently confident of it to commit it > > > > on his own authority, I'm inclined to leave it out of 7.1. > > > > My concern is mostly schedule. We are well into beta cycle > > > > now and this seems like way too critical (not

RE: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Mikheev, Vadim
> > > If Vadim isn't sufficiently confident of it to commit it > > > on his own authority, I'm inclined to leave it out of 7.1. > > > My concern is mostly schedule. We are well into beta cycle > > > now and this seems like way too critical (not to say high-risk) > > > a feature to be adding after

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* The Hermit Hacker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [001211 14:27] wrote: > On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > > Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this > > > > work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing i

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this > > > work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long > > > as it was ok with the rest of the development team. >

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: > Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this > > work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long > > as it was ok with the rest of the development team. > > So can we

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
> Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this > > work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long > > as it was ok with the rest of the development team. > > So can we get a go-ahead on this? :) > > If Vad

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Lane
Alfred Perlstein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this > work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long > as it was ok with the rest of the development team. > So can we get a go-ahead on this? :) If Vadim isn't suffi

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Sounds good to me. [Of course, I never met a patch I didn't like, or so they say.] > I know you guys are pretty busy with the upcoming release but I > was hoping for more interest in this work. > > With this (which needs forward porting) we're able to cut > vacuum time down from ~10minutes to

[HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
I know you guys are pretty busy with the upcoming release but I was hoping for more interest in this work. With this (which needs forward porting) we're able to cut vacuum time down from ~10minutes to under 30 seconds. The code is a nop unless you compile with special options(MMNB) specify the s