Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-14 Thread Karel Zak
On Tue, Jul 13, 2004 at 06:29:51PM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: I am not sure what can be done to solve this in the future. There are only a limited number of us who have the experience and time to review and comment on very complex patches. The issue as I see it

[HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
One failing that has appeared during the 7.5 development cycle is that we as a community haven't been able to provide timely feedback to developers working on large feature additions. I am particularly thinking of Alvaro (nested transactions) and Simon (PITR), where we haven't been able to give

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Christopher Kings-Lynne
One failing that has appeared during the 7.5 development cycle is that we as a community haven't been able to provide timely feedback to developers working on large feature additions. I am particularly thinking of Alvaro (nested transactions) and Simon (PITR), where we haven't been able to give

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: One failing that has appeared during the 7.5 development cycle is that we as a community haven't been able to provide timely feedback to developers working on large feature additions. I am particularly thinking of Alvaro (nested transactions) and Simon

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Marko Karppinen
On Jul 13, 2004, at 17:02, Bruce Momjian wrote: One failing that has appeared during the 7.5 development cycle is that we as a community haven't been able to provide timely feedback to developers working on large feature additions. I am particularly thinking of Alvaro (nested transactions) and

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian wrote: I am not sure what can be done to solve this in the future. There are only a limited number of us who have the experience and time to review and comment on very complex patches. The issue as I see it is not reviewing patches, but defining features. Someone sets out to

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Josh Berkus
Chris, all: Well, I note (and I'm not being unkind or anything here) that a lot of the high level committers we have haven't been so active this release. Peter and Joe haven't been around much and Jan has been busy with Slony. We also lost Thomas Lockhart. Neil's also away on holidays.

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
Josh Berkus wrote: Chris, all: Well, I note (and I'm not being unkind or anything here) that a lot of the high level committers we have haven't been so active this release. Peter and Joe haven't been around much and Jan has been busy with Slony. We also lost Thomas Lockhart. Neil's

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Tom Lane
Peter Eisentraut [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The issue as I see it is not reviewing patches, but defining features. Someone sets out to develop nested transactions, and three days after feature freeze we have the first large discussion about what nested transactions really are, what they are

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
Bruce Momjian wrote: The result is that we chronically have less manpower when just when we need everybody. And some of us end up spending 11 hours a day in front of the screen when we should be outside soaking up Vitamin D. Therefore, I propose that the next version either feature

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: True, but northern-hemisphere summer is only 6 weeks old, and we have had these issues for many months --- it isn't a new problem. Alvaro didn't get the feedback he needed in March either. :-( This is true, but Josh does have a point ... you took a

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: True, but northern-hemisphere summer is only 6 weeks old, and we have had these issues for many months --- it isn't a new problem. Alvaro didn't get the feedback he needed in March either. :-( This is true, but Josh

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Marc G. Fournier
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: Marc G. Fournier wrote: On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Bruce Momjian wrote: True, but northern-hemisphere summer is only 6 weeks old, and we have had these issues for many months --- it isn't a new problem. Alvaro didn't get the feedback he needed in March either.

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Josh Berkus wrote: ( This is probably why many American corporations end their fiscal year in midsummer; nothing is going to get done anyway, might as well clean up. ) And that is also the time when volunteers will have the most time to spare. -- Peter Eisentraut

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Joe Conway
Bruce Momjian wrote: Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Well, I note (and I'm not being unkind or anything here) that a lot of the high level committers we have haven't been so active this release. Peter and Joe haven't been around much and Jan has been busy with Slony. I think this is (in part at

Re: [HACKERS] Assisting developers

2004-07-13 Thread Bruce Momjian
Joe Conway wrote: Bruce Momjian wrote: Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: Well, I note (and I'm not being unkind or anything here) that a lot of the high level committers we have haven't been so active this release. Peter and Joe haven't been around much and Jan has been busy with Slony. I