Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-04 Thread Bruce Momjian
That was interesting. I love the TRS-80 mention. So, it seems your logic is pretty much the same as ours --- trim them up and improve the docs. So, that particular URL was an example of what _not_ to do. I have heard folks say they like the PHP comments a lot, but I wonder how much of that is t

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-04 Thread Nigel J. Andrews
When I first saw this thread I thought of the PHP docs which I recently started using, from a level of knowing absolutely nothing of PHP. Sure there was some useful stuff in some of the comments but some of the pages were very long, far more comment than manual page. A lot of the comments refer t

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Ronald Chmara
On Monday, February 3, 2003, at 04:39 AM, Bruce Momjian wrote: I looked at that URL, and it is good example of what _not_ to do with interactive docs, IMHO. The manual page is _very_ short, and shows no examples. The comments have various examples/cases, with corrections later to earlier postin

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Tom Lane [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 February 2003 14:39 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Bruce Momjian; Neil Conway; PostgreSQL Hackers > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you > want it towork? > > >

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Tom Lane
"Dave Page" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Perhaps we should then prune the garbage out of the old version, and > make the comments version specific so that we start afresh with the new > docs, but leave the useful comments against the older versions? It seems clear to me that the comments *should*

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it

2003-02-03 Thread Rod Taylor
> The only effort required would be to note and delete the 'junk' comments > which is minimal work, especially if going through them anyway. There is > no web interface for deletion (yet) but it will identify the comment IDs > for you. I'm happy to accept lists of items to delete. Toss an 'Send no

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 February 2003 13:04 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Neil Conway; PostgreSQL Hackers > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you > want it towork? > > > Perhaps we

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Page wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 03 February 2003 11:40 > > To: Dave Page > > Cc: Neil Conway; PostgreSQL Hackers > > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documen

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Page wrote: > > I looked at that URL, and it is good example of what _not_ to > > do with interactive docs, IMHO. The manual page is _very_ > > short, and shows no examples. The comments have various > > examples/cases, with corrections later to earlier postings. > > I would think this

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Justin Clift
Bruce Momjian wrote: > I looked at that URL, and it is good example of what _not_ to do with > interactive docs, IMHO. The manual page is _very_ short, and shows no > examples. The comments have various examples/cases, with corrections > later to earlier postings. I would think this is not what

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 February 2003 11:40 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Neil Conway; PostgreSQL Hackers > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you > want it towork? > > > > I l

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Bruce Momjian
example. > > Regards, Dave. > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: 03 February 2003 01:09 > > To: Dave Page > > Cc: Neil Conway; PostgreSQL Hackers > > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation -

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-03 Thread Dave Page
, Dave. > -Original Message- > From: Bruce Momjian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 03 February 2003 01:09 > To: Dave Page > Cc: Neil Conway; PostgreSQL Hackers > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you > want it towork? > > > >

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
gt; > To: Dave Page > > Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers > > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you > > want it towork? > > > > > 2) Bearing in mind your answer to the previous question, should all > > > the comments be deleted when useful examp

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Dave Page wrote: > My concern here is that what (for example) Bruce decides is not a useful > addition to the docs themselves, maybe something that would have helped > me with some bizarre problem. If we dump *all* the docs after they have > been merged then I might lose that helpful tip. > > Also

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it to

2003-02-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Folks, we want organized documentation, not cudos to commentors or something that is so large that people have to wade through the comments to see if something is interesting. The focus is the docs, and the comments are only there to improve the docs. They are there for no other reason. ---

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it to work?

2003-02-02 Thread Bruce Momjian
Yes, please delete the old comments. We want to merge as many in as we can, and remove the rest. --- Dave Page wrote: > > As you may have noticed we have recently revamped the Interactive > Documentation on the website (ht

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it to

2003-02-02 Thread Rod Taylor
> While we're talking about modifications to idocs, why not have a rating > system for the usefulness of a comment. Comment ratings could be useful if the rating is tied to a doc version. A very useful 7.1 comment may be a little antiquated for 7.3. This would solve almost all of the issues if c

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it to

2003-02-02 Thread Gavin Sherry
On 2 Feb 2003, Neil Conway wrote: > On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 15:22, Dave Page wrote: > > - Each comment attaches only to the page name, version of the page to > > which it was submitted *and* subsequent versions (this is the current > > behaviour). > > > > - Each comment should attach to the page

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it towork?

2003-02-02 Thread Dave Page
> -Original Message- > From: Neil Conway [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: 02 February 2003 20:52 > To: Dave Page > Cc: PostgreSQL Hackers > Subject: Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you > want it towork? > > > 2) Bearing in mind your a

Re: [HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it to

2003-02-02 Thread Neil Conway
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 15:22, Dave Page wrote: > - Each comment attaches only to the page name, version of the page to > which it was submitted *and* subsequent versions (this is the current > behaviour). > > - Each comment should attach to the page name to which it was submitted > regardless of

[HACKERS] Interactive Documentation - how do you want it to work?

2003-02-02 Thread Dave Page
As you may have noticed we have recently revamped the Interactive Documentation on the website (http://www.postgresql.org/docs). This has raised a couple of questions about how the idocs should work, so I'd like to get some votes on the following 2 issues: 1) How should comments be linked to docu