Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2008-03-17 Thread Bruce Momjian
Added to TODO: o Remove pre-7.3 pg_dump code that assumes pg_depend does not exit --- Tom Lane wrote: Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether there's any need to support the old protocol in the server

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Usama Dar
+1 On Nov 29, 2007 4:09 AM, Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:04 -0500 Tom Lane wrote: Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 12:00:51 -0800 Andrew Hammond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: software. I doubt there are any plans to trim the 7.3 branch from CVS and I imagine that the community will be happy to work with anyone Considering we still have

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Andrew Hammond
On Nov 29, 2007 11:11 AM, Ron Mayer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Robert Treat wrote: On Tuesday 27 November 2007 15:07, Simon Riggs wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-29 Thread Ron Mayer
Robert Treat wrote: On Tuesday 27 November 2007 15:07, Simon Riggs wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting that? ...

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
Hi, On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:26 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: I assume you no longer need to maintain it for Redhat then? Well, I still do, nominally, but RHEL-3 is in maintenance mode (meaning no more scheduled updates). It would take a fairly serious bug to get Red Hat's attention to the

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Zdenek Kotala
Tom Lane napsal(a): Comments, opinions? Is it time to remove old communication protocol support and cleanup code in 8.4? Zdenek ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: explain analyze is your friend

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread sulfinu
I'm not a developper, but it occured to me that you should consider dropping the support for client-server wire protocol v2. I quote a comment I found in JDBC driver's code: // NOTE: To simplify this code, it is assumed that if we are // using the V3 protocol, then the database

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Alexandru Cârstoiu
I'm not a developper, but it occured to me that you should consider dropping the support for client-server wire protocol v2. I quote a comment I found in JDBC driver's code: // NOTE: To simplify this code, it is assumed that if we are // using the V3 protocol, then the database

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Gregory Stark
Alexandru Cârstoiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This tells me that the v3 protocol appeared at 7.4, so there's no need to support v2 in future database versions (starting with 8.3?). It would simplify code in interfaces like JDBC too. I think the second half of this is correct. There would be

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread sulfinu
On Wednesday 28 November 2007, Gregory Stark wrote: This tells me that the v3 protocol appeared at 7.4, so there's no need to support v2 in future database versions (starting with 8.3?). It would simplify code in interfaces like JDBC too. I think the second half of this is correct. There

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Tom Lane
Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether there's any need to support the old protocol in the server depends on whether there are any clients out there which use it which is harder to determine and not affected by whether Postgres 7.3 is still around. Right. There's really not much to

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:30:55 + Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alexandru Cârstoiu [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This tells me that the v3 protocol appeared at 7.4, so there's no need to support v2 in future database versions (starting

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Magnus Hagander
Tom Lane wrote: Gregory Stark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Whether there's any need to support the old protocol in the server depends on whether there are any clients out there which use it which is harder to determine and not affected by whether Postgres 7.3 is still around. Right. There's

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 15:37:04 -0500 Tom Lane wrote: Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this is the last release of 7.3 and 7.3 is now considered unsupported. I know at

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-28 Thread Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 23:53:14 -0500 Robert Treat wrote: I also think we should be a bit more generous on the EOL notice. Saying one more update after 8.3 is akin to giving a 1 month EOL notice; not friendly at all imo. Set it for July 2008 and I think you have given plenty of notice (and

[HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
By chance I happened to notice in the release notes Release 7.3 Release date: 2002-11-27 Man, it feels like a long time since that came out... There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Joshua D. Drake
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 14:02:24 -0500 Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By chance I happened to notice in the release notes Release 7.3 Release date: 2002-11-27 Man, it feels like a long time since that came out... 5 years was a long time ago

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Dave Page
--- Original Message --- From: Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pgsql-hackers@postgresql.org Sent: 27/11/07, 19:02:24 Subject: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE branch since 7.3.20. Rather than just

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE branch since 7.3.20. Rather than just leaving those to rot, maybe the actual policy should be only one more update after 8.3 comes out. I assume you no

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Gevik Babakhani
At some point back, I seem to recall the reason for bothering to backpatch to 7.3 is that it had to be maintained for RedHat anyway, so things might as well be backpatched? If that requirements is gone, I think it's time to drop it. +1 And +1 on pushing out one final end of the tree

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Magnus Hagander
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: By chance I happened to notice in the release notes Release 7.3 Release date: 2002-11-27 Man, it feels like a long time since that came out... There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Dave Page
Tom Lane wrote: Dave Page [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: From: Tom Lane [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE branch since 7.3.20. Rather than just leaving those to rot, maybe the actual policy should be only one more update after 8.3 comes out.

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Simon Riggs
On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting that? I see that there are two or three minor bug fixes in the REL7_3_STABLE branch

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum
On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this is the last release of 7.3 and 7.3 is now considered unsupported. I know at least one customer who is using RHEL-3 and PG 7.3 on dozens machines worldwide. Yes, they are moving to 8.2

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Josh Berkus
Tom, There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting that? The community consensus I recall was three versions only. Anything beyond that would be up to the vendors. Mind you, I don't

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
Josh Berkus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting that? The community consensus I recall was three versions only. Anything beyond that would be up

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Tom Lane
Andreas 'ads' Scherbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 11:08:58 -0800 Joshua D. Drake wrote: Release 7.3.21 with and EOL addendum :). E.g; this is the last release of 7.3 and 7.3 is now considered unsupported. I know at least one customer who is using RHEL-3 and PG 7.3 on

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Andrew Dunstan
Josh Berkus wrote: Tom, There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting that? The community consensus I recall was three versions only. Anything beyond that would be up to

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Robert Treat
On Tuesday 27 November 2007 15:07, Simon Riggs wrote: On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 14:02 -0500, Tom Lane wrote: There has been some discussion of making a project policy of dropping support for old releases after five years. Should we consider formally instituting that? I see that there are

Re: [HACKERS] PG 7.3 is five years old today

2007-11-27 Thread Devrim GÜNDÜZ
Hi, On Tue, 2007-11-27 at 23:53 -0500, Robert Treat wrote: I also think we should be a bit more generous on the EOL notice. Saying one more update after 8.3 is akin to giving a 1 month EOL notice; not friendly at all imo. Set it for July 2008 and I think you have given plenty of notice (and