Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-19 Thread Vince Vielhaber
On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, Tatsuo Ishii wrote: It actually was pretty quick. The fixes were more cleaning up strange conversion from HTML to LaTeX. Looks nice, but I'm afraid I have to do all the work above for 489 HTML files:-) It's not all that bad. There's really only 486, the other three

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-19 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tatsuo Ishii writes: Sorry you are seeing trouble. I missed seeing your traffic on the dsssl list to which I am subscribed; which one are you using? [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mailing list you should be on is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see http://lists.oasis-open.org), which is more about docbook

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-19 Thread Thomas Lockhart
Sorry you are seeing trouble. I missed seeing your traffic on the dsssl list to which I am subscribed; which one are you using? [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mailing list you should be on is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see http://lists.oasis-open.org), which is more about docbook processing and less

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-19 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
Sorry you are seeing trouble. I missed seeing your traffic on the dsssl list to which I am subscribed; which one are you using? [EMAIL PROTECTED] The mailing list you should be on is [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see http://lists.oasis-open.org), which is more about docbook processing and

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-18 Thread Thomas Lockhart
Perhaps I'm stuck in the eighties when I did my thesis in LaTeX, but I was of the impression that what's considered good style in LaTeX *is* content-based markup. Sure, a LaTeXer may occasionally be forced to throw in low-level stuff like a \pagebreak to get nice looking results ... but I

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-18 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is a step forward? Not true. If you embed pagebreak commands *in the source* then those breaks *must* be reevaluated every time the docs change. If content is added or removed, the appropriate place for a page break will likely change, so

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
5) We have been working for translating docs into Japanese using EUC_JP encoding. Converting to HTML is no problem, but we cannot get correct results for sgml- RTF conversion at all. The translated docs are just not be able to read, showing random characters. It seems that

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-18 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Bruce Momjian writes: However, what it doesn't give you is much control over appearance except how to map the tags to appearance. You can't tweek appearance in SGML unless you make special tags for certain appearances. How do you derive this conclusion? SGML gives you a boatload of ways to

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?y

2001-04-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
Bruce Momjian writes: However, what it doesn't give you is much control over appearance except how to map the tags to appearance. You can't tweek appearance in SGML unless you make special tags for certain appearances. How do you derive this conclusion? SGML gives you a boatload of

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-18 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
Tatsuo, when I added SGML reference pages to the back of my book, I took the HTML-generated output from SGML and loaded that into LaTeX. I did have to do a few things: convert SGML to HTML html2latex add * to \subsection* ? remove \newline remove

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?y

2001-04-18 Thread Bruce Momjian
It actually was pretty quick. The fixes were more cleaning up strange conversion from HTML to LaTeX. Looks nice, but I'm afraid I have to do all the work above for 489 HTML files:-) What I'm doing now is trying to fix openjade. It is written in C++, and I hate C++, no way... I

[HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-17 Thread Thomas Lockhart
My feedback at this time is mostly the desire to know a bit better what prevents the hardcopy docs from being built automatically. I am currently having some trouble compiling jadetex, so I can't take a look at the generated PDF yet, but I assume there's something wrong with it. That seems

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-17 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 3) Page breaks are not always ideal. Some hand adjustments are desirable to get a better flow to the docs, especially wrt examples and lists; you don't want them breaking between pages if you can avoid it, especially with short examples. This

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-17 Thread Peter Eisentraut
Tom Lane writes: It seems to me that all of the other problems you enumerate are simply bugs in the doc toolchain. We've worked around them rather than tried to fix them because that was the shortest path to a result, but if Chris wants to tackle actually fixing them, that would sure be

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-17 Thread Thomas Lockhart
It seems to me that all of the other problems you enumerate are simply bugs in the doc toolchain. We've worked around them rather than tried to fix them because that was the shortest path to a result, but if Chris wants to tackle actually fixing them, that would sure be nice. Based on your

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-17 Thread Tatsuo Ishii
Hmm. Actually, afaik we were the first large open source project to successfully use the jade toolset for docs. Others have used our project as an example to help get them going, since as you have already found out getting the tool chain completely set up is not trivial. There are at least

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-17 Thread Thomas Lockhart
5) We have been working for translating docs into Japanese using EUC_JP encoding. Converting to HTML is no problem, but we cannot get correct results for sgml- RTF conversion at all. The translated docs are just not be able to read, showing random characters. It seems that

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-17 Thread Tom Lane
Thomas Lockhart [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There is a difference between using techniques which markup content (DocBook, XML, etc) as opposed to those which markup appearence (latex). Perhaps I'm stuck in the eighties when I did my thesis in LaTeX, but I was of the impression that what's

[HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-16 Thread Thomas Lockhart
They're not ready yet. Since they were deemed non-essential for this release, and since the release schedule is not built around their creation, I no longer feel obligated to have them finished on the release date. A nice change from the deadlines I've been working on for the last three years

Re: [HACKERS] Re: No printable 7.1 docs?

2001-04-16 Thread Christopher Masto
On Tue, Apr 17, 2001 at 12:07:26AM +, Thomas Lockhart wrote: They're not ready yet. Since they were deemed non-essential for this release, and since the release schedule is not built around their creation, I no longer feel obligated to have them finished on the release date. A nice