Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-27 Thread Robert Haas
On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 3:49 AM, wrote: > Hi, > > I would like to be Mentor for Funded Reviewers. My mission will be: > 1)      We are empowered to create a better world together. > 2)      Together we co-create our existence. > 3)      Together we make Postgresql project a success. > I am lookin

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-27 Thread ghatpande
. I will require to get training in technical, functional and culture of postgresql. Pl let me know, if you decide positively. Regards, Vijay. - Original Message - From: "Joshua D. Drake" Date: Thursday, January 27, 2011 2:00 am Subject: Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 17:39 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Richard Broersma > wrote: > >> I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > > > Now that I read it, I not sure what I meant either. :) How about this: the > > selection, management, and oversight of grants and men

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Richard Broersma wrote: >> I'm not sure what you mean by this. > > Now that I read it, I not sure what I meant either. :)  How about this: the > selection, management, and oversight of grants and mentees should be opaque > to the community so as to prevent distract

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > I don't think that's it exactly. Basically, if you fund reviewers, > and we get lots more people doing reviews and they're all great, I'll > be happy. If you fund reviewers, and we get lots more people doing > reviews and they're all terrib

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Richard Broersma wrote: > So I take it that the concern is not how reviews are funded, but over the > perceived connection between the organic community and third party > organizations.   This makes sense. I don't think that's it exactly. Basically, if you fund r

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread David Fetter
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:29:23PM -0800, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:15 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Richard Broersma > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Simon Riggs > > > wrote: > > >> You're paying the reviewers; are you pa

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:19 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > It's just that > I require both income and sleep. That's probably not an issue for > people who are just getting started in the community. > > Another question is whether you really need assigned mentors at all. ... > Very few emails on -ha

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:29 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > Not somewhat, completely. Most of the "teachers" we have are already > getting paid to work on PostgreSQL. There are some exceptions of course > but if you look at the list of people that are qualified to actually > review code, they are ge

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Alvaro Herrera
Just a small comment: If someone offered me $15 to mentor a reviewer, I would tell him to kindly go away. If the same person were to offer me a $15 t-shirt saying I mentored the review (or whatever), I would consider it. Yes, I know I could buy the t-shirt with the money. People are strange tha

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 14:15 -0500, Robert Haas wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Richard Broersma > wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Simon Riggs wrote: > >> You're paying the reviewers; are you paying the mentors? > > > > The answer to this question is that we can fund mentor (

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Robert Haas wrote: > Usually, in an educational process, it's the teachers who get paid, > and the students who have to pay to get educated. I realize this is > somewhat different because we want to encourage people to get involved > in the project, but it stil

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Tom Lane
"David E. Wheeler" writes: > I think M. Fetter is completely wrong. If people are rethinking > whether they should volunteer based on whether other people are being > funded for their time to review patches, we don't want such people > around anyway. Let them leave. I can see his concern though:

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:32 PM, Richard Broersma wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Simon Riggs wrote: >> You're paying the reviewers; are you paying the mentors? > > The answer to this question is that we can fund mentor (teacher).  However, > the amount to fund a mentor would be signifi

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Jan 26, 2011, at 9:40 AM, Richard Broersma wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM, David E. Wheeler > wrote: >> Part of GCOC's success has been in allowing a class of people to >> participate who otherwise would have had to get summer jobs flipping >> burgers. >>> >> > > This is esse

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Richard Broersma
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 9:31 AM, David E. Wheeler wrote: > Part of GCOC's success has been in allowing a class of people to > participate who otherwise would have had to get summer jobs flipping > burgers. > This is essentially the idea for this grant, to fund a person in learning a new skill.

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread David E. Wheeler
On Jan 26, 2011, at 7:48 AM, Richard Broersma wrote: > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 7:38 AM, David Fetter wrote: > >> I'm thinking that we should consider *very* carefully before we >> introduce payments into what had been an all-volunteer effort. You >> may get people to do things they might not o

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-26 Thread Robert Haas
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:15 AM, Simon Riggs wrote: > Many people are contributing patches for free. Will those people get > paid to fix their own bugs? I guess they might well be better at finding > and fixing them than others, so it is an interesting question. I remember hearing about a case wh

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Joshua D. Drake
On Tue, 2011-01-25 at 14:14 +, Dave Page wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Richard Broersma > wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Dave Page wrote: > >> > >> Will the scheme be open to everyone, or just .USians? > > > > I do believe that such grants are limited to members of P

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 1:39 PM, Richard Broersma wrote: > On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Dave Page wrote: >> >> Will the scheme be open to everyone, or just .USians? > > I do believe that such grants are limited to members of PgUS.  Although, I > should mention that there's no restriction for

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Richard Broersma
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Dave Page wrote: > > Will the scheme be open to everyone, or just .USians? I do believe that such grants are limited to members of PgUS. Although, I should mention that there's no restriction for residents of any country becoming a member of PgUS. > If the

Re: [RRR] [HACKERS] Seeking Mentors for Funded Reviewers

2011-01-25 Thread Dave Page
On Tue, Jan 25, 2011 at 2:43 AM, Richard Broersma wrote: > > > On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:53 PM, Josh Berkus wrote: >> >> On 1/24/11 12:17 PM, Richard Broersma wrote: >> > PgUS is preparing to fund a grant for PgUS members to learn and >> > participate in the patch review process.  We looking for