Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Tom Lane
Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did we decide against LAZY? I thought the core consensus was that it was too risky to install post-beta. On the other hand, we're installing some other pretty major fixes. Do we want to re-open that discussion? regards, tom lane

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Bruce Momjian
Did we decide against LAZY? Seems we have a number of people concerned about vacuum downtime, and I can see this as a win for them. If they don't specify LAZY, the code is not run. The Hermit Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: should be easily testable though, no? What makes you think

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2001-01-24 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Wed, 24 Jan 2001, Tom Lane wrote: Bruce Momjian [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did we decide against LAZY? I thought the core consensus was that it was too risky to install post-beta. On the other hand, we're installing some other pretty major fixes. Do we want to re-open that discussion?

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Lamar Owen
Bruce Momjian wrote: Did we decide against LAZY? Seems we have a number of people concerned about vacuum downtime, and I can see this as a win for them. If they don't specify LAZY, the code is not run. I see a number of possibilities: 1.) A tested 'feature patch' available for

RE: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2001-01-24 Thread Mikheev, Vadim
Did we decide against LAZY? Seems we have a number of people concerned about vacuum downtime, and I can see this as a win for them. If they don't specify LAZY, the code is not run. First sorry that I wasn't able to deal with vlazy earlier. Now I have one more open item for 7.1 - restoring

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Sounds good to me. [Of course, I never met a patch I didn't like, or so they say.] I know you guys are pretty busy with the upcoming release but I was hoping for more interest in this work. With this (which needs forward porting) we're able to cut vacuum time down from ~10minutes to

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Lane
Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long as it was ok with the rest of the development team. So can we get a go-ahead on this? :) If Vadim isn't

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long as it was ok with the rest of the development team. So can we get a go-ahead on this? :) If Vadim isn't

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long as it was ok with the rest of the development team. So can we get a

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* The Hermit Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 14:27] wrote: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote: Alfred Perlstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Basically Vadim left it up to me to campaign for acceptance of this work and he said he wouldn't have a problem bringing it in as long

RE: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Mikheev, Vadim
If Vadim isn't sufficiently confident of it to commit it on his own authority, I'm inclined to leave it out of 7.1. My concern is mostly schedule. We are well into beta cycle now and this seems like way too critical (not to say high-risk) a feature to be adding after start of

RE: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Mikheev, Vadim wrote: If Vadim isn't sufficiently confident of it to commit it on his own authority, I'm inclined to leave it out of 7.1. My concern is mostly schedule. We are well into beta cycle now and this seems like way too critical (not to say

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate changes into 7.2. Comments? IMHO, we are in beta now and this doesn't fix a bug ... if we could make this available as a patch in /contrib until

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
Go for it Vadim ... it is only a couple of days in, and I know there are several places I could personally use it ... On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote: If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
Thanks. The other good item is that is already being used in production use, so it seems it is pretty well tested. Go for it Vadim ... it is only a couple of days in, and I know there are several places I could personally use it ... On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Bruce Momjian wrote: If

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: "Mikheev, Vadim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate changes into 7.2. I'd vote for the second choice. I do not think we

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
A few points in favor of including this ... first, when Vadim does do the storage manager rewrite for v7.2, the patch is essentially useless ... and second, its currently being used in production on a server that is/will tax it heavily, so it isn't untested ... I'd almost extend that to

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread Andrew Snow
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: "Mikheev, Vadim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate changes into 7.2. I'd vote for the second choice. I do not think we

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Bruce Momjian
I'd vote for the second choice. I do not think we should be adding new features now. Also, I don't know about you, but I have enough bug fix, testing, and documentation work to keep me busy till January even without any new features... It'd be really naughty to add it to the beta at

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Tom Lane
The Hermit Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: should be easily testable though, no? What makes you think that? worst case, we pull it out afterwards ... No, worst case is that we release a seriously broken 7.1, and don't find out till afterwards. There are plenty of new features on my to-do

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available.

2000-12-11 Thread The Hermit Hacker
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: The Hermit Hacker [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: should be easily testable though, no? What makes you think that? Alfred could volunteer to move to v7.1? *grin*

Re: [HACKERS] (one more time) Patches with vacuum fixes available .

2000-12-11 Thread Alfred Perlstein
* Andrew Snow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [001211 20:21] wrote: On Mon, 11 Dec 2000, Tom Lane wrote: "Mikheev, Vadim" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If there are no objections then I'm ready to add changes to 7.1. Else, I'll produce patches for 7.1 just after release and incorporate changes into