Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
sed. That is if my wife doesn't go into labor first (she's at 37 weeks and having Braxton-Hicks already). #4. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, plea

Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
lease. Simple fixes (the localtime versus mktime fix) might be doable, but might not depending upon the particular fix, how difficult the packport, etc. But 7.2 is considered _stable_ -- and I agree that this means maintenance mode only. Only the most trivial or the most serious problems should b

Re: Upgrade process (was Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?)

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
hen let's all try to test the cookie. I'll certainly try to do my part. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] 7.2.3?

2002-09-28 Thread Lamar Owen
loper attention. That will be a happy day for me, as well as many others. I have not the time to do it myself; but I can be a gadfly, at least. In the meantime we have pg_upgrade for the future 7.3 -> 7.4 upgrade. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] v7.2.3 - tag'd, packaged ... need it checked ...

2002-10-02 Thread Lamar Owen
ce. Will try 8.0 tomorrow at work. RPMs will be uploaded either tonight or tomorrow morning after I get to work; it will depend on how much upload bandwidth I can get out of this dialup. It appears to be running OK, so I may let it run. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 -

Re: [HACKERS] v7.2.3 - tag'd, packaged ... need it checked ...

2002-10-02 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 12:29 am, Lamar Owen wrote: > RPMs will be uploaded either tonight or tomorrow morning after I get to > work; it will depend on how much upload bandwidth I can get out of this > dialup. It appears to be running OK, so I may let it run. After I get to w

Re: [HACKERS] Trigger regression test output

2002-10-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 12:46 pm, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Builds fine here for RPM usage. Got an odd diff in the triggers > > regression test: did we drop a NOTICE? If so, the regression output > > should probably have

Re: [HACKERS] v7.2.3 - tag'd, packaged ... need it checked ...

2002-10-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 12:29 am, Lamar Owen wrote: > RPMs will be uploaded either tonight or tomorrow morning after I get to > work; it will depend on how much upload bandwidth I can get out of this > dialup. It appears to be running OK, so I may let it run. RPMS uploaded

Re: [HACKERS] Trigger regression test output

2002-10-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 03 October 2002 02:31 pm, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > One thing that confuses me though is that the build options have been > like this for a long time (at least since 7.1). Why haven't you seen > this problem before? Did you

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Postgres-based system to run .org registry?

2002-10-14 Thread Lamar Owen
> (linux-today, slashdot, etc...) If not someone from the PostgreSQL > marketing dept. (wink wink) should come up with a press release. I have submitted a story to LinuxToday. We'll see how that goes. Anyone want to take on Slashdot? :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 --

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3 Branched ...

2002-10-16 Thread Lamar Owen
need to maintain a package that just duplicates other > > packages... > Let ye-old package managers make a shell package which simply points to > the others as dependencies. I'm going to attempt to do up RPMs of all those :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:

Re: [HACKERS] about postgresql-7.2.3 rpm

2002-11-01 Thread Lamar Owen
. Do you NEED the perl client? The perl build is a difficult one; and is going away at 7.3 anyway -- there will be a separate perl build. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Time to move on...

2002-11-15 Thread Lamar Owen
'm looking forward to seeing > PostgreSQL achieve greater and greater success in the coming years. Thomas, good luck. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Time to move on...

2002-11-15 Thread Lamar Owen
core versus six core isn't a great handicap, as the potential replacement pool consists of people who are already doing development now. Having an odd number of core has its advantages. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)

Re: [HACKERS] Time to move on...

2002-11-15 Thread Lamar Owen
think we deal with such > > issues perhaps 2-4 times a year. > OK sorry - I was under the impression that core == commit bit... committers != core -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you s

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

2002-12-04 Thread Lamar Owen
dbc.postgresql.org, gborg.postgresql.org, developer.postgresql.org, jdbc.postgresql.org, etc. Oh, and we also have www.postgresql.org on the side? I think not. Oh, and they are fractured in their styles -- really, guys, we need a unified style here. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---

[HACKERS] 7.3 RPMS.

2002-12-04 Thread Lamar Owen
llows (it refers to 7.3-0.5PGDG, and should have read 7.3-1PGDG, but the source RPM was already uploaded before I caught it -- and at 33.6 dialup (that's bouncing up and down like a yoyo due to periodic telephone service interruptions) a 10MB file takes a little time to upload (as in a coup

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

2002-12-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 05 December 2002 09:37, Marc G. Fournier wrote: > On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Lamar Owen wrote: > > However, I seriously question the need in the long term for our sites to > > be as fractured as they are. Good grief! We've got > note that altho they are seperate

[HACKERS] 7.3-2 RPMset released.

2002-12-05 Thread Lamar Owen
failed was due to the collation of a result, and a side-effect of the way the RPM regression testing is performed); but I did not try a restart of the postmaster. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have y

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] PostgreSQL Global Development Group

2002-12-09 Thread Lamar Owen
lanket 'Supports' statement above quoted was not true in the blanket case until the 'support' became default, since there were cases that this would not be true. Support != 'if you pass the right parameters to configure this will work', at least not at the press re

Re: [HACKERS] Let's create a release team

2002-12-10 Thread Lamar Owen
won't happen again; but I will try to prevent its recurrence. For the 7.0 cycle, during the maintenance releases, I was retained by Great Bridge to produce RPMs -- that ensured that I spent time on them for that cycle. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11

[HACKERS] PostgreSQL Weekly News.

2002-12-23 Thread Lamar Owen
Thanks to those who did the PostgreSQL Weekly news, and submitted it to LinuxToday. This is a great function for the advocacy people! Many Thanks! -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't &#x

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3.1 Bundled and Released ...

2002-12-23 Thread Lamar Owen
moved postgresql-perl subpackage. There will be soon a postgresql-perl RPM -- I have to get the new gborg code and build it, I guess. Changelog since 7.3-2: * Mon Dec 23 2002 Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - 7.3.1-1PGDG - Fix dependency order for test and pl subpackages. - Fixed a bug in the

Re: [HACKERS] RPMS for RedHat 6.2/7.3/8.0 ready

2002-12-24 Thread Lamar Owen
I am at home for the holidays, I knew Sander was building these, so I specifically got up early to handle this. And I want to thank Sander for building these RPMs. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subsc

[HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-02 Thread Lamar Owen
ty who uses PostgreSQL has on staff a professional DBA and an extra server to do the migration with. MySQL is even touting the ability to quickly upgrade, at this point (January 2003 Linux Magazine article on MySQL 4). I'm sorry, but that just gets under my skin. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Int

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:26, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So I figured I'd roll a 7.1.3 RPMset for him to install onto Red Hat 8. > > It was very bad. It simply would not build -- I guess it's the gcc 3 > > stuff.

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread Lamar Owen
On Friday 03 January 2003 15:16, Lamar Owen wrote: > On Thursday 02 January 2003 19:26, Tom Lane wrote: >> Lamar Owen Wrote > > > THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH MySQL. > > Oh? Do they have a crystal ball that lets them predict incompatible > > future platform changes?

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-03 Thread Lamar Owen
me reason. Then it becomes our biggest liability. And unlike Tom I think it is worthwhile to discuss it periodically, to remind the group as a whole (which composition and membership changes frequently) that there's a problem waiting to be solved. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-05 Thread Lamar Owen
older versions building again on newer systems, that will help buy some breathing room from my point of view. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] Upgrading rant.

2003-01-05 Thread Lamar Owen
On Sunday 05 January 2003 23:10, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > It is very possible that the supporting libc shared libraries > > will be removed by the OS upgrade -- the old binaries may not even run > > when it is critical that they do

Re: [HACKERS] PostgreSQL libraries - PThread Support, but not use...

2003-01-06 Thread Lamar Owen
beat the database to death. BTW: thanks for the Bison RPMs. And I believe the PGDG is appropriate as well. :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appro

Re: [HACKERS] Thank-you to Cybertec Geschwinde & Schonig

2003-01-06 Thread Lamar Owen
Yes, I got one. It made my day (my day needed made that day.). -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command (send "unregister YourEmailAddr

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Have people taken a look at pgdiff yet?

2003-01-07 Thread Lamar Owen
uld mention the need on their summary page I've heard of more bizarre things, though. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] [GENERAL] Have people taken a look at pgdiff yet?

2003-01-08 Thread Lamar Owen
ver, it's true; they are still separate projects, even though the driver has hooks in it for OpenACS use. The OpenACS sample tcl config shows how to load the nspostgres driver (even though it may call it 'postgres' instead). -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3.1 psql against a v7.2.x database ...

2003-01-10 Thread Lamar Owen
ution is to use the 7.2 psql with the 7.2 backends...and enjoy the thrills of upgrading. Methinks 7.3 should have been 8.0 with all the changes that have happened. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1

Re: [HACKERS] Anyone have a fresh Solaris 8 SPARC system to create

2003-01-15 Thread Lamar Owen
, however. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-17 Thread Lamar Owen
o upgrade > them as well. Incidentally, has anyone else noticed the security update onslaught from Red Hat for older PostgreSQL versions? They even backported the fixes to 6.5.3 from Red Hat 6.2 (as well as for 7.0 and 7.1 as released in the respective Red Hat Linux versions). Should I forward that notic

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-17 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 18 January 2003 00:08, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Incidentally, has anyone else noticed the security update onslaught from > > Red Hat for older PostgreSQL versions? They even backported the fixes to > > 6.5.3 from Red Hat

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-18 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 18 January 2003 11:13, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > ... Why? If a user doesn't need the features of 7.x.x, and the codebase > > is working well for him/her, why should said user/DBA feel compelled to > > go through who kn

Re: [HACKERS] Heading to Atlanta

2003-01-18 Thread Lamar Owen
in Atlanta from 1986 through 1989. Enjoy the light traffic, Bruce... :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-19 Thread Lamar Owen
he Red Hat Update Agent with the following command: up2date This will start an interactive process that will result in the appropriate RPMs being upgraded on your system. 5. RPMs required: [omitted] -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Win32 port patches submitted

2003-01-22 Thread Lamar Owen
e, and GPL is anathema to Microsoft. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-25 Thread Lamar Owen
ces. See the MS SQL Server Sapphire worm for reference. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so

Re: [HACKERS] Can we revisit the thought of PostgreSQL 7.2.4?

2003-01-25 Thread Lamar Owen
On Saturday 25 January 2003 21:06, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Lamar Owen wrote: > > On Saturday 25 January 2003 20:36, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > improve the capabilities of the database. For security issues, if we > > > already have ten open doors in a house, does it hel

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 30 January 2003 16:54, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > And, by the way, who in their right mind tests a database server by > > repeated yanking of the AC power? > Anybody who would like their data to survive a power outage. I don&#

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
d test for those failures across the board, regardless of track record. Records are meant to be broken. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 30 January 2003 15:29, Tom Lane wrote: > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > While I understand (and agree with) your (and Vince's) reasoning on why > > Windows should be considered less reliable, neither of you have provided > Windows shares none

Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System - My final thoughts

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
use I don't like it? Not on the mailing lists (hmm, need to get some naptha, some palmitic acidmight be fun to sling some napalm in the back yard to rid the place of weeds, and get some relaxation to boot). -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
think it is _better_ than the time-tested Unix ports ('It passed a harder test on Win32. Are we afraid the Unix ports won't pass those same tests?'). I for one don't want that to be a conclusion -- but the 'suits' will see it that way, rest assured. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-31 Thread Lamar Owen
ther unixoid partisans out there will just love this statement. The linux community here is in the minority, more than likely, to the *BSD camp. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searche

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
-- do ANY of our releases get this sort of testing on ANY platform? No, typically it's 'regression passed' 'Ok, it's supported on that platform.' -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [mail] Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System

2003-01-30 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 30 January 2003 13:17, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Thu, 30 Jan 2003, Lamar Owen wrote: > > Vince, I would say that we, the developers of PostgreSQL, are then not > > qualified to test our own releases for the reasons you mentioned that > > Katie should not

Re: [HACKERS] Windows Build System - My final thoughts

2003-01-31 Thread Lamar Owen
e an English translation of the site so one who doesn't speak or write Japanese can try it out? -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] PGP signing releases

2003-02-02 Thread Lamar Owen
; right, that is why we started to provide md5 checksums ... Actually this impacts RPMs more than the tarball, although the tarball's md5 sums are important. I have been intending to do this for some time; maybe it's time to bite the bullet. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Pet

Re: [HACKERS] v7.3.2 Tag'd and Bundle'd ...

2003-02-03 Thread Lamar Owen
ang.1 ecpg.1 pg_controldata.1 pg_restore.1psql.1 createuser.1 initdb.1pg_ctl.1 pgtclsh.1 vacuumdb.1 dropdb.1 initlocation.1 pg_dump.1 pgtksh.1 [lowen@localhost BUILD]$ -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end

Re: [HACKERS] Changing the default configuration (was Re: [pgsql-advocacy]

2003-02-11 Thread Lamar Owen
o be generic here. I can't assume Red Hat 8 in the source RPM, and my binaries are to be preferred only if the distributor doesn't have updated ones. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[HACKERS] Contract Programmer Advice.

2003-02-11 Thread Lamar Owen
oney. Maybe I'm just too patient; I don't know. Since I do trust this group, if any of you have had experience dealing with credit collection bureaus and the like, can you please e-mail me privately with your experience? -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11

Re: [HACKERS] Contract Programmer Advice.

2003-02-12 Thread Lamar Owen
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 20:56, Lamar Owen wrote: > Being that this group of hackers is one I trust, and that this is a pretty > common scenario for contract programming, I thought I'd ask this group a > question. I hope you don't mind. I want to thank everyone for their

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-12 Thread Lamar Owen
ux community respect > history > It is the ONE TRUE PLACE [snip] If PostgreSQL is supported as a part of the base operating system in a Linux distribution, and that distribution wishes to be Linux Standards Base compliant (most do), then PostgreSQL cannot go in /usr/local -- period. IDIC a

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
rent places. This is all done in the startup script, and required no new functionality from postmaster. I personally think it is for the better; YMMV. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 13 February 2003 21:13, Bruce Momjian wrote: > Lamar Owen wrote: > > It isn't without precedent to have a directory under /var/run. Maybe > > /var/run/postgresql. Under this one could have a uniquely named pid > > file. > But how do you handle the

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
ory. It's not a pid file in the /var/run sense, really. It's an interlock for PGDATA. So it might be argued that postmaster.pid is misnamed. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
ascribe to that; witness the 7.2-7.3 migration fiasco -- 7.3 should have been 8.0 to warn people of the major changes going on in client connections). But I do advocate _allowing_ the configuration options Mark has enumerated -- although I really wish we could use t

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
distributor, consider it part of the OS. If it isn't, well, it isn't. This is so that local admin installed (from source -- not from binary package) files don't get clobbered by the next operating system binary upgrade. In that context the FHS (LSB) mandate makes lots of sense. --

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Thursday 13 February 2003 18:41, Vince Vielhaber wrote: > On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Lamar Owen wrote: > > PostgreSQL is as critical as PHP, Apache, or whatever other package is > > being backended by PostgreSQL. If the package is provided by the > > distributor, consider it p

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-15 Thread Lamar Owen
searchable.. The system configuration of PostgreSQL is on topic for -hackers. IMNSHO. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://archives.postgresql.org

Re: [HACKERS] location of the configuration files

2003-02-13 Thread Lamar Owen
just a single tcl config entry. No biggie. Even sendmail has a -c switch to specify the location of sendmail.cf: so, yes, you can run multiple instances, although it could be argued that it wasn't designed in. Next? -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---

Re: [HACKERS] RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Lamar Owen
pload a quickie RC3 RPMset... :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-06 Thread Lamar Owen
cs? Ideas? Comments? The 'Internals' document is still in the main package, FWIW. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-n

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
-devel|grep itup /usr/include/pgsql/access/itup.h [root@utility i386]# -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROT

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
6.1.1 look pretty puny. I'm looking at the package reorganization for the RPM's this morning -- we'll see what I find in a few hours. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
to doing this -- just questioning the timing. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 5: Have you checked our extensive FAQ? http://www.postgresql.org/users-lounge/docs/faq.html

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
ports collection using the individual packages instead of > the great big one) so from a packaging perspective, its well tested ... Just not well-tested for the RPM build environment :-). -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
he very least will remain in the main package. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate subscribe-nomail command to [EMAIL PROTECTED] so that your message

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
The Hermit Hacker wrote: > On Sat, 7 Apr 2001, Lamar Owen wrote: > > Just not well-tested for the RPM build environment :-). > Ya, but you could concievably test that now, without us doign an RC4 .. > the files are all there :) So the structure isn't going to change -- ju

Re: [HACKERS] A more useful way to split the distribution

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
h else -- well, actually, I just want to make sure I get it right before release, as I'd like to not have but a couple of days before an RPM release after the announcement. Sounds like a plan. I'm going to upload a set of RC3 RPM's tonight -- there are changes that I need people to c

[HACKERS] RPMS for RC3

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
Uploaded. Please take a look. ftp://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/dev/test-rpms There _are_ changes. I will detail the changes for the RC4 RPMset. Karl's pl/perl changes will go into the next set. pg_dumplo will have a built binary, to be located in /usr/lib/pgsql/contrib. -- Lamar Owen

Re: [HACKERS] Re: RC3 ... and rpms...

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
ckage to place docs in the main package %doc. HTML docs and man pages are with the main package; SGML source and any hardcopy docs will go into the docs subpackage. The contrib tree is getting its own subpackage. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(en

[HACKERS] RPM upgrade caveats going from a beta version to RC

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
One quick note -- since 'R' < 'b', the RC RPM's must be forced to install with --oldpackage, as RPM does a simple strcmp of version numbers -- 7.1RC3 < 7.1beta1, for instance. Just force it with --oldpackage if you have a 7.1beta RPM already installed. -- Lamar Owe

[HACKERS] RC3-3 RPMS.

2001-04-07 Thread Lamar Owen
don't have a good JDK on any of my devel boxen -- meaning I'm still shipping the 7.0 JDBC in the jdbc subpackage. ftp://ftp.postgresql.org/pub/dev/test-rpms,as usual. See README.rpm-dist in the main package for more details, as it is actually up to date at this time. -- Lamar Owen WGCR I

Re: [HACKERS] RPMS for RC3

2001-04-08 Thread Lamar Owen
> stuff you do under '# man pages' needs some work. The man pages are still in a separate tarball, or not? > You probably want > to run gzip on the files after installation. Done automagically by the buildrootpolicy of the rpm build system, on distributions that do buildrootpol

Re: [HACKERS] RPM upgrade caveats going from a beta version to RC

2001-04-08 Thread Lamar Owen
e're not likely to release a 7.1.0 then a 7.0.4 that fixes bugs in the STABLE branch, whereas at one point Linux 2.0.39, a 2.2.x, and 2.4.0 were being released concurrently. The same happens with FreeBSDand others -- but not us. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 -

Re: [HACKERS] RPM upgrade caveats going from a beta version to RC

2001-04-11 Thread Lamar Owen
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > > Lamar Owen writes: > > > One quick note -- since 'R' < 'b', the RC RPM's must be forced to > > install with --oldpackage, as RPM does a simple strcmp of version > > numbers -- 7.1RC3 < 7.1beta1, for instance.

Re: [HACKERS] RPM upgrade caveats going from a beta version to RC

2001-04-11 Thread Lamar Owen
Oliver Elphick wrote: > Lamar Owen wrote: > >as the Debian packages have the same issue -- and I don't know if .deb > >has an analog to Serial:. > We have epochs, that is, the package version is preceded by an integer > and a colon, which overrides every oth

Re: [HACKERS] RPM upgrade caveats going from a beta version to RC

2001-04-11 Thread Lamar Owen
Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Lamar Owen writes: > > Yes, I am, actually. But it seems a broken way of dealing with it. > > Although I do have another idea, thanks to Trond. Rather than package > > '7.1RC4-1' I could package '7.1-0.1RC4' -- giving a straig

[HACKERS] Re: 7.1 RPMs

2001-04-13 Thread Lamar Owen
y standard by consensus -- kaffe ships with RedHat 7.0 -- isthat an acceptable JDK-substitute?) or someone needs to package 7.1 JDBC jars for my packaging pleasure. I'm running low enough on disk space on my devel machines (one of which is a notebook) to make my own JDK a second choice. Oli

Re: [HACKERS] Re: 7.1 RPMs

2001-04-13 Thread Lamar Owen
On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Lamar Owen writes: > > In the postgresql-docs subpackage, along with the SGML source. > Why would you want to ship the source? For those with SGML tools and viewers, who might like to build hardcopy of their own. Frankly, it was an e

[HACKERS] 7.1-1 RPMset uploading...

2001-04-13 Thread Lamar Owen
NARY tree stored offline so that you can go back to your previous version if the need arises. Otherwise, enjoy the RPMset :-) -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 README.rpm-dist ----- Version 3.2, for PostgreSQL

Re: [HACKERS] Re: 7.1 RPMs

2001-04-14 Thread Lamar Owen
a Jikes-built JDBC sound to people? Ormaybe I don't understand the Java Way well enough to decide. Gotta learn it a little -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, plea

Re: [HACKERS] Re: 7.1 RPMs

2001-04-14 Thread Lamar Owen
o. Although, I'd recommend pgsql-cygwin, lest someone erroneously think we directly support Win32. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? http://www.postgresql.org/search.mpl

Re: [HACKERS] Re: 7.1 RPMs

2001-04-14 Thread Lamar Owen
ackers group has built out of trees. And I have to know some details of the trees occasionally. I'm sure Oliver would agree. And, to let everyone know, I'm having a blast doing this. And I'm glad my work schedule eased up some in the last month so I could put some time to

[HACKERS] Hey guys, check this out.

2001-04-14 Thread Lamar Owen
http://www.crn.com/Sections/Fast_Forward/fast_forward.asp?ArticleID=25670 Marc will be pleased to note that the PostgreSQL project came out of the FreeBSD project, and is Great Bridge's database. Gotta love journalistic license. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter

Re: [HACKERS] Fast Forward (fwd)

2001-04-15 Thread Lamar Owen
this group is more civil than that, IMHO. She likely is off for the weekend, and hasn't read any responses yet. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

Re: [HACKERS] 7.1 on 7.1

2001-04-16 Thread Lamar Owen
for 7.1 on 7.1 in our RPM area. Red Hat 7.1 is _nice_. The PostgreSQL speed appears to be very good, compared to 6.2/7.0 with the 2.2 kernel. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster

[HACKERS] Another news story in need of 'enlightenment'

2001-04-17 Thread Lamar Owen
tent/enterprise/datawatch/101041201.asp He seems to be ok on some things, though. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [HACKERS] start / stop scripts question

2001-04-24 Thread Lamar Owen
Bruce Momjian wrote: > > I would like to know myself. I just did a recursive grep of the entire > PostgreSQL tree and don't see it. My guess is that it is part of the > RPM. Not sure who to report that to. I know Lamar Owen works on it, > but I don't know if he i

Re: [HACKERS] Packaging 7.1.1

2001-05-03 Thread Lamar Owen
ey're not likely to be), I am opposed to the idea -- not to keep the stuff to myself, but to not hinder the platform-neutral stance. IMHO, of course. Of course, there are many projects that DO include all the files necessary to build RPMs from their Official Tarball (TM). Bruce, should porti

Re: [HACKERS] Packaging 7.1.1

2001-05-03 Thread Lamar Owen
fferent, and how the RPM is built). > > Lamar Owen and I. Egads! I forgot to mention Trond! My apologies! (I'm being serious...) Trond, of Red Hat; Reinhard Max, of SuSE; and Thomas Lockhart, of PostgreSQL Inc (:-)) have all been major contributors to the RPM distribution. Karl De

Re: [HACKERS] Extrordinarily Poor Performance....

2001-05-03 Thread Lamar Owen
L 7.0.3, we could ask Alfred about his lazy vacuum patches, as they work as well for Red Hat 7 as they do for FreeBSD. Personally, I look forward to the following note being placed into the docs: VACUUM: deprecated. And the feature that makes that note possible. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1

Re: [HACKERS] Packaging 7.1.1

2001-05-03 Thread Lamar Owen
r, otherwise I might miss it). I have a list of messages in an 'RPMS for 7.1' subfolder of my mail folder 'Postgres' that I work through for each release. -- Lamar Owen WGCR Internet Radio 1 Peter 4:11 ---(end of broadcast)--- TIP 3:

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