Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30276

2013-07-17 Thread Marcus Denker
On Jul 17, 2013, at 10:33 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > So you would be ready to change notNil -> isNotNil and become a bit more > incompatible with the rest of the world? I will not be changed. I just added isNotNot in addition to notNot. No deprecation, no refactoring. Marcus

Re: [Pharo-dev] Metacello doubt

2013-07-17 Thread Dale K. Henrichs
Guido, I've just released Metacello Preview 1.0.0-beta.32.8[1] that includes a bugfix for your issue. Let me know if you need more information. Dale [1] http://gemstonesoup.wordpress.com/2013/07/17/metacello-preview-1-0-0-beta-32-8-composed/ - Original Message - | From: "Guido C

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30276

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Cellier
For FileSystem, there is a clear win, so I'd say the change is really worth. 1) you add more capabilities 2) more logical/convenient API 3) more efficient implementation 4) more scalable implementation The optional compatibility layer you offered is the exact solution to the upgrade problem (you gi

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30276

2013-07-17 Thread Camillo Bruni
there have been many similar decisions in the past, I remember for instance the move from #and:and:and: or #or:or:or: which weighs around the same as the #isNotNil. FileSystem or Slots are even on a bigger scale. Package maintenance in which sense, across different Pharo versions or different

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30276

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Cellier
I wonder what is the decision process behind such change. Do you put in balance what you gain and what you loose? To me gain is near zero and these little changes stacked together put a useless burden on package maintenance. 2013/7/17 Camillo Bruni > On 2013-07-17, at 22:32, Nicolas Cellier < >

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30276

2013-07-17 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-07-17, at 22:32, Nicolas Cellier wrote: > So you would be ready to change notNil -> isNotNil and become a bit more > incompatible with the rest of the world? that method is already present in the image. > I understand that the pair isEmpty/isNotEmpty may seem a bit more > homogeneous, b

Re: [Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30276

2013-07-17 Thread Nicolas Cellier
So you would be ready to change notNil -> isNotNil and become a bit more incompatible with the rest of the world? I understand that the pair isEmpty/isNotEmpty may seem a bit more homogeneous, but I see no other selector constructed with (isNot isnt) while I see many others where is is omitted. I w

Re: [Pharo-dev] Penelope - Fail to create account

2013-07-17 Thread Mariano Vicente
thanks Esteban :) Saludos, Mariano On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > ok, I added both of you :) > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Mariano Vicente wrote: > > In my case is a spanish art seller. > > Saludos, > Mariano > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Carla F. Grigg

Re: [Pharo-dev] Config browser with filter

2013-07-17 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2013-07-17, at 20:59, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > honestly... I'm thinking that it was not a good idea to backport the spec > conf browser to 2.0. > looks to me that is not ready for production, and we need time to make it > ready (time that we have for 3.0, but not for a bugfix release).

Re: [Pharo-dev] Config browser with filter

2013-07-17 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
honestly... I'm thinking that it was not a good idea to backport the spec conf browser to 2.0. looks to me that is not ready for production, and we need time to make it ready (time that we have for 3.0, but not for a bugfix release). just my opinion Esteban On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:43 PM, Stéph

Re: [Pharo-dev] Config browser with filter

2013-07-17 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
:) I have a catalogBuilder that starts to work so we will use configurations for generating some nice information. Stef On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:55 PM, "Torsten Bergmann" wrote: > screen attached > > Pharo 2.0: Slice and issue 11179 together with a fix for broken buttons > Pharo 3.0: Slice and

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:15 PM, Benjamin wrote: > SOrry, it was not my intention :( Ok I just tell you because I know that you are not like that :) I loaded my code in the fresh and latest 30 and invoking the GC this time removed the UI instance. So I prefer that. Now my logging frameworks can

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Benjamin
SOrry, it was not my intention :( Ben On Jul 17, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > >> I do not think it's a UI framework concern to handle model behaviour (like >> registration to announcement) > > Ben > I notice that more frequently in your replies. To not judge people. We do not

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
thanks Stef > You can add this to the initialize method of your widget, and in the close > method unregister all announcers > > self whenWindowChanged: [:w | w whenClosedDo: [ self close ] ]. > > > Andrei > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Benjamin > wrote: > Ok :) > > Then there is

Re: [Pharo-dev] Penelope - Fail to create account

2013-07-17 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
ok, I added both of you :) On Jul 17, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Mariano Vicente wrote: > In my case is a spanish art seller. > > Saludos, > Mariano > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Carla F. Griggio > wrote: > Not in my case, carlagrig...@gmail.com is a biologist from Brazil :P > > > On Wed,

Re: [Pharo-dev] [DOC] Building and deploying

2013-07-17 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jul 16, 2013, at 4:42 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 15 Jul 2013, at 20:19, Paul Davidowitz wrote: > >> Very nice, but perhaps in a future tutorial the mode of presentation can >> be TDD… > > Thanks. > > Yes, it would be good if someone wrote a beautiful tutorial with a focus on

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
> I do not think it's a UI framework concern to handle model behaviour (like > registration to announcement) Ben I notice that more frequently in your replies. To not judge people. We do not need it. We are all good programmers. I need to know if there is a hook not that you explain me that m

[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred

2013-07-17 Thread no-reply
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/label=win/348/ 1 regressions found. Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUndeclared

[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred

2013-07-17 Thread no-reply
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/label=linux-stable-worker/348/ 1 regressions found. Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUndeclared

[Pharo-dev] [regression reporter]regression occurred

2013-07-17 Thread no-reply
https://ci.inria.fr/pharo/job/Pharo-3.0-Update-Step-2-Validation/label=mac/348/ 1 regressions found. Tests.Release.ReleaseTest.testUndeclared

Re: [Pharo-dev] Penelope - Fail to create account

2013-07-17 Thread Mariano Vicente
In my case is a spanish art seller. Saludos, Mariano On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Carla F. Griggio wrote: > Not in my case, carlagrig...@gmail.com is a biologist from Brazil :P > > > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Clara Allende wrote: > >> Just write your mail without dots, its the same f

[Pharo-dev] [update 3.0] #30276

2013-07-17 Thread Marcus Denker
30276 - 7300 Finder raise an error on asking for implementors https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/7300 10348 GroupAlreadyExists vs. GroupsAlreadyExists confusion https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/10348 11180 Add a filter to the config browser https://pha

Re: [Pharo-dev] Penelope - Fail to create account

2013-07-17 Thread Carla F. Griggio
Not in my case, carlagrig...@gmail.com is a biologist from Brazil :P On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Clara Allende wrote: > Just write your mail without dots, its the same for gmail (I've been there > already) > > Sent from Gmail for Android > On 17 Jul 2013 01:14, "Carla F. Griggio" wrote: >

Re: [Pharo-dev] buttons for browsing in the debugger

2013-07-17 Thread Andrei Vasile Chis
> > In general what I learned: You find an obscure, not useful, not used > feature in the code base that complexities everything. > > option 1) Ask the list. > Result: 5 people will suddenly realize that they can not live > without that strange feature they never heard about before. > > opt

Re: [Pharo-dev] buttons for browsing in the debugger

2013-07-17 Thread Andrei Vasile Chis
-1 but i don't like it in form of extra buttons row, which makes > debugger UI too bloated. > They will be accessible from the context menu of the stack. > > > Andrei > > > > -- > Best regards, > Igor Stasenko. > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] buttons for browsing in the debugger

2013-07-17 Thread Frank Shearar
On 17 July 2013 15:18, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > >> >> On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis >> wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> If the debugging option ExtraDebuggerButtons is set to true a second row >>> containing some actions for browsi

Re: [Pharo-dev] buttons for browsing in the debugger

2013-07-17 Thread Marcus Denker
On Jul 17, 2013, at 4:11 PM, Marcus Denker wrote: > > On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis > wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> If the debugging option ExtraDebuggerButtons is set to true a second row >> containing some actions for browsing code (senders, implementors, versions, >> etc) wil

Re: [Pharo-dev] buttons for browsing in the debugger

2013-07-17 Thread Marcus Denker
On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Andrei Vasile Chis wrote: > Hi, > > If the debugging option ExtraDebuggerButtons is set to true a second row > containing some actions for browsing code (senders, implementors, versions, > etc) will be added under the one with > the stepInto, stepOver, etc button

Re: [Pharo-dev] buttons for browsing in the debugger

2013-07-17 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 17 July 2013 15:57, Andrei Vasile Chis wrote: > Hi, > > If the debugging option ExtraDebuggerButtons is set to true a second row > containing some actions for browsing code (senders, implementors, versions, > etc) will be added under the one with > the stepInto, stepOver, etc buttons. > > Do yo

[Pharo-dev] buttons for browsing in the debugger

2013-07-17 Thread Andrei Vasile Chis
Hi, If the debugging option ExtraDebuggerButtons is set to true a second row containing some actions for browsing code (senders, implementors, versions, etc) will be added under the one with the stepInto, stepOver, etc buttons. Do you use this feature? Do we want it in the new debugger? Andrei

Re: [Pharo-dev] CameraPlugin for (Pharo) VM

2013-07-17 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 17 July 2013 15:30, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> We once had a discussion already, to summarize: >> - the camera plugin from scratch worked according to Bernat Romagosa [1] >> - Stef checked the scratch license and said this license is not MI

Re: [Pharo-dev] CameraPlugin for (Pharo) VM

2013-07-17 Thread Marcus Denker
On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:51 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 17 July 2013 15:30, Torsten Bergmann wrote: >> We once had a discussion already, to summarize: >> - the camera plugin from scratch worked according to Bernat Romagosa [1] >> - Stef checked the scratch license and said this license is not MI

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Andrei Vasile Chis
You can add this to the initialize method of your widget, and in the close method unregister all announcers self whenWindowChanged: [:w | w whenClosedDo: [ self close ] ]. Andrei On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ok :) > > Then there i

Re: [Pharo-dev] CameraPlugin for (Pharo) VM

2013-07-17 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 17 July 2013 15:30, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > We once had a discussion already, to summarize: > - the camera plugin from scratch worked according to Bernat Romagosa [1] > - Stef checked the scratch license and said this license is not MIT so he do > not want to see it in Pharo [2] [3] > > We

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Benjamin
Ok :) Then there is a hook in Morph for that I think :) (and an announcement in Spec when a widget is built) Ben On Jul 17, 2013, at 3:37 PM, Tudor Girba wrote: > I guess what Stef means is that he would like to know if there is a way > specify custom behavior when a window closes, and then u

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Tudor Girba
I guess what Stef means is that he would like to know if there is a way specify custom behavior when a window closes, and then use this for his purpose of unregistering from some announcer. Cheers, Doru On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 2:36 PM, Benjamin < benjamin.vanryseghem.ph...@gmail.com> wrote: > I

[Pharo-dev] CameraPlugin for (Pharo) VM

2013-07-17 Thread Torsten Bergmann
We once had a discussion already, to summarize: - the camera plugin from scratch worked according to Bernat Romagosa [1] - Stef checked the scratch license and said this license is not MIT so he do not want to see it in Pharo [2] [3] We didnt move on with this since we thought it is covered by

Re: [Pharo-dev] Config browser with filter

2013-07-17 Thread Benjamin
Just for info, there is in Spec a SearchableList and a SearchableTree :) Ben On Jul 17, 2013, at 2:55 PM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > screen attached > > Pharo 2.0: Slice and issue 11179 together with a fix for broken buttons > Pharo 3.0: Slice and issue 11180 > >

[Pharo-dev] Config browser with filter

2013-07-17 Thread Torsten Bergmann
screen attached Pharo 2.0: Slice and issue 11179 together with a fix for broken buttons Pharo 3.0: Slice and issue 11180 <>

Re: [Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Benjamin
I do not think it's a UI framework concern to handle model behaviour (like registration to announcement) Ben On Jul 17, 2013, at 9:40 AM, Stéphane Ducasse wrote: > Hi ben > > I would like to unsubscribe announcement when the window is closed. > Is there a hook for that in Spec? > > Stef > >

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [DOC] Building and deploying your first web app with Pharo

2013-07-17 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Jul 15, 2013, at 6:41 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Igor, > > On 15 Jul 2013, at 17:48, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> since you gave listing at the end of page, >> i wonder, how much PHP (yes! :) code it would take to implement same app? :) >> >> of course , PHP is not really fair compar

[Pharo-dev] Spec delete method

2013-07-17 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Hi ben I would like to unsubscribe announcement when the window is closed. Is there a hook for that in Spec? Stef

Re: [Pharo-dev] Open GL and Athens?

2013-07-17 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Ok, Thanks Igor Alexandre On 16 Jul 2013, at 06:43, Igor Stasenko wrote: > > > On 15 July 2013 20:05, Alexandre Bergel wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Milton, Ronie and I had a very fun programming session. Here some random >> screenshots during our programming session. >> Igor, would it be possible

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN} Pharo Consultants

2013-07-17 Thread Damien Cassou
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Maybe I can add a little section on that page describing what you have to do > to get on the list. either that or we keep this page as short as possible and put everything on consultants.pharo.org. As you wish -- Damien Cassou ht

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN} Pharo Consultants

2013-07-17 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 17 Jul 2013, at 10:10, Damien Cassou wrote: > On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: >> Yes please, I think just a link in the left menu would be enough > > That's not possible. But I added a page, referenced from the menu on > the left that show this page: > http://w

Re: [Pharo-dev] [Pharo-users] [ANN} Pharo Consultants

2013-07-17 Thread Damien Cassou
On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:14 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Yes please, I think just a link in the left menu would be enough That's not possible. But I added a page, referenced from the menu on the left that show this page: http://www.pharo-project.org/community/consultants > Damien, was it