Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Le 26/3/16 15:50, Cyril Ferlicot D. a écrit : Le 26/03/2016 09:19, stepharo a écrit : But you see you are becoming the most aware for athens and what we should do is document document. Now I got EXHAUSTED to document things that I did not build or use daily. This effort for me is

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

My point was about the Versioning approach. Tiki is about all kinds of things. That's what you get with millions of lines of PHP code and, indeed, millions of downloads etc. It is a community building tool. Check https://tiki.org/Features and mix and match them as most things can be combined

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Good luck with things like Roassal or Seaside. As of Java, sure, but Javadoc is only a small part. Try to understand Swing with Javadocs and no thick book, good luck with that. The Java Tutorial is another matter. Phil This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Hi Phil, _,,,^..^,,,_ (phone) > On Mar 26, 2016, at 3:07 AM, "p...@highoctane.be" wrote: > > In Tiki, our versioning policy is like this: > > https://tiki.org/Versions Hmmph! :-). Tiki's "About" page is one of those maddeningly useless ones that speaks to the choir.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Le 26/03/2016 09:19, stepharo a écrit : > > But you see you are becoming the most aware for athens > and what we should do is document document. > Now I got EXHAUSTED to document things that I did not build or > use daily. This effort for me is gigantic > and I cannot do it each time. In

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 9:19 AM, stepharo wrote: > > I want a clean and stable core. > > > me too. > Now you will not my core. Because there is no UI no announcement... > > The way Rubric and GT-Tools were pushed into the core was a mess. > > > No I cannot let you to say that.

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

In Tiki, our versioning policy is like this: https://tiki.org/Versions Going on nicely since 2009. Phil This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Yes, I want all of the good stuff. Let's always remember that when the platoon soldiers stop complaining, it is time to watch your back for a knife. Looks like we are a long way from there. Phil This email has been sent from a virus-free computer protected by Avast. www.avast.com

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

I want a clean and stable core. me too. Now you will not my core. Because there is no UI no announcement... The way Rubric and GT-Tools were pushed into the core was a mess. No I cannot let you to say that. I'm sorry. We spent 4 months cleaning Nautilus and Rubric is not optimal but we

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

I totally do not agree with many of the arguments in this thread. But I do not want to discuss them under this label. Please start a new thread, if you want to. > On 26 Mar 2016, at 05:40, Hernán Morales Durand > wrote: > > > > 2016-03-25 19:32 GMT-03:00 Eliot

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

2016-03-25 19:32 GMT-03:00 Eliot Miranda : > Hi Stef, > > On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:27 PM, stepharo wrote: > >> So guys, you do not want Xtreams (and prefer to use Streams that have >> been "designed" decades ago) ;D ? >> no bootstrapped core (clement

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Hi Stef, On Fri, Mar 25, 2016 at 2:27 PM, stepharo wrote: > So guys, you do not want Xtreams (and prefer to use Streams that have been > "designed" decades ago) ;D ? > no bootstrapped core (clement you do not want to have a mini image :) ? > and a new UI frameworks? > yes, of

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

2016-03-25 22:27 GMT+01:00 stepharo : > So guys, you do not want Xtreams (and prefer to use Streams that have been > "designed" decades ago) ;D ? > no bootstrapped core (clement you do not want to have a mini image :) ? > and a new UI frameworks? > I want a clean and stable

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

But pharo is solid. When is the last time we changed FFI and GC and new object representations? You see FFI is really really important not having one = no Pharo. So yes Pharo is doing too much stuff and we should have sprint to clean and optimise but FFI and Spur are important. Stef Le

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

So guys, you do not want Xtreams (and prefer to use Streams that have been "designed" decades ago) ;D ? no bootstrapped core (clement you do not want to have a mini image :) ? and a new UI frameworks? I personnally want to have new widgets, a real UI builder and massively cleaning Spec. Now I

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

yes! Maybe a solid core with a layer of fast evolving things. That's the model for Hortonworks now. A stable Hadoop core for stability and fast updates for things like Spark. Phil On Mar 25, 2016 6:19 PM, "Hilaire" wrote: > Not exactly related to Announcement, but I remember

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

2016-03-25 18:30 GMT+01:00 Nicolai Hess : > > > 2016-03-25 18:18 GMT+01:00 Hilaire : > >> Not exactly related to Announcement, but I remember when I first port >> DrGeo to Squeak (at that time Pharo did not exist) I used a lot of >> change/update when

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

2016-03-25 18:18 GMT+01:00 Hilaire : > Not exactly related to Announcement, but I remember when I first port > DrGeo to Squeak (at that time Pharo did not exist) I used a lot of > change/update when objects in the canvas changed. It was terribly slow, > and later opted for a

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Not exactly related to Announcement, but I remember when I first port DrGeo to Squeak (at that time Pharo did not exist) I used a lot of change/update when objects in the canvas changed. It was terribly slow, and later opted for a top-down update in the list of object. So some sometime what look

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

On 25-03-16 11:49, Nicolai Hess wrote: Morphic drasticallly slower ? I would expect morphic code is mostly the same in pharo and squeak. If pharo is slower, this is a good starting point for optimising. Can you gives some hints? I do not have the impression that morphic is so much slower. We

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

2016-03-25 7:43 GMT+01:00 Clément Bera : > Yeah this is very well-known. Note that here we are talking about the pi B > with Spur + the JIT, 2 years ago I remember needing 35 second on the pie A > to open Nautilus on the stack vm while the Squeak UI was usable. > > The

Re: [Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

Yeah this is very well-known. Note that here we are talking about the pi B with Spur + the JIT, 2 years ago I remember needing 35 second on the pie A to open Nautilus on the stack vm while the Squeak UI was usable. The Pharo UI has been focusing on IDE features at the cost of performance, such as

[Pharo-dev] Fwd: Squeak 5 on Raspberry Pi

> [Squeak 5 is] so *fast* (I have it running next to > Pharo, which is unusable slow as a GUI. Whereas Squeak 5 is zipping > along at Windows desktop speeds on the Pi (Model B). - Cheers, Sean -- View this message in context: