Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-17 Thread stepharo
Alex what are your criteria for knowing if this is stable? Because Roassal 2 got completely different from roassal 1. So people used mondrian, then roassal (the changes was important and good there). then we got roassal 2 which did not follow the same API and worse is changing. So from a user

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-16 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Yes, but the problem is that stabilizing an API that does not work is not productive. In any case, July will be decisive for Roassal as I intent to push the book. Alexandre On Jun 15, 2015, at 4:00 AM, stepharo steph...@free.fr wrote: Hi Peter Definitively. Having stable API is key for

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-16 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Hi Peter, I am really sorry about the instability. The book chapter has been updated. Cheers, Alexandre On Jun 14, 2015, at 7:10 PM, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: Since I've already run into second thing in agile visualization book that is outdated (RTArrow, which was some time

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-15 Thread stepharo
Hi Peter Definitively. Having stable API is key for us and for everybody. For us (synectique), we stop to change versions around 6 months ago. This is sad that we have to shield us from Roassal but this is what we are doing. We cannot fight to get clients and change all the time our code. As

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-14 Thread Peter Uhnák
Since I've already run into second thing in agile visualization book that is outdated (RTArrow, which was some time ago renamed to RTArrowedLine ( https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/31543901/AgileVisualization/Roassal/0104-Roassal.html section 2.2) it made me wonder how many things like these are

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-09 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
On 08 Jun 2015, at 18:22, Alexandre Bergel alexandre.ber...@me.com wrote: Well at least for me it is certainly not clear what release policy is Roassal following; i.e. if I see a minor version change what to expect, if any BC breaks were introduced, etc. Of course this is extra effort for

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-08 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Well at least for me it is certainly not clear what release policy is Roassal following; i.e. if I see a minor version change what to expect, if any BC breaks were introduced, etc. Of course this is extra effort for the person doing it, so it should be taken with care. But there are

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-05 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
I’m interested in participating. Personally I’d like to talk more about design decisions behind roassal ecosystem, release strategy and so on. Usually when I work with Roassal I have this issue that things are breaking because of rapid changes, or because of the differences between different

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-05 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
But are there numbered version to refer to? Uko On 05 Jun 2015, at 16:34, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com mailto:yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: I’m interested in participating. Personally I’d like to talk more about

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-05 Thread Peter Uhnák
On Fri, Jun 5, 2015 at 3:29 PM, Yuriy Tymchuk yuriy.tymc...@me.com wrote: I’m interested in participating. Personally I’d like to talk more about design decisions behind roassal ecosystem, release strategy and so on. Usually when I work with Roassal I have this issue that things are breaking

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-05 Thread Peter Uhnák
Well at least for me it is certainly not clear what release policy is Roassal following; i.e. if I see a minor version change what to expect, if any BC breaks were introduced, etc. Of course this is extra effort for the person doing it, so it should be taken with care. But there are certainly

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-05 Thread Yuriy Tymchuk
Oh, then it’s my bad. Last time I’ve checked it seemed that it wasn’t updated for a long time. Maybe I was wrong. Uko On 05 Jun 2015, at 18:08, Peter Uhnák i.uh...@gmail.com wrote: There sure are, look at ConfigurationOfRoassal2version*: and in my baseline I have something like

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-05 Thread Peter Uhnák
There sure are, look at ConfigurationOfRoassal2version*: and in my baseline I have something like ~~~ spec project: 'Roassal2' with: [ spec className: #ConfigurationOfRoassal2; versionString: '1.52'; repository: 'http://smalltalkhub.com/mc/ObjectProfile/Roassal2/main/' ]; ~~~

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-05 Thread stepharo
I’m interested in participating. Personally I’d like to talk more about design decisions behind roassal ecosystem, release strategy and so on. Usually when I work with Roassal I have this issue that things are breaking because of rapid changes, or because of the differences between different

[Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-04 Thread Alexandre Bergel
Dear Colleagues and Friends, We are happy to announce we will organize a CampSmalltalk about the Roassal visualization engine, on _Sunday 12 July_. As far as we have seen, the interests are multiple. Here is a list of topics we will happy to work on: - Port of Roassal on VisualWorks

Re: [Pharo-dev] Roassal Camp Smalltalk

2015-06-04 Thread Peter Uhnák
Hi Alex, is it possible to add some discussion about stuff we did in roassal for dynacase to the list? Because I feel there is some duplication effort and also we could probably contribute some stuff we did back. Or perhaps even more general discussion about using roassal for more dynamic and