[Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, >From the feedback so far, I could not the following issues: - menus for copy/paste/cut (which I still wonder why they need to exist for a developer, but we will add them) - possibility of save/open - Cmd+g instead of Cmd+o (already fixed) - position of the cursor is sometimes messed up - pos

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 04 Oct 2014, at 07:45, Tudor Girba wrote: > Hi, > > From the feedback so far, I could not the following issues: > > - menus for copy/paste/cut (which I still wonder why they need to exist for a > developer, but we will add them) > - possibility of save/open > - Cmd+g instead of Cmd+o (alre

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
> On 04 Oct 2014, at 09:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > > On 04 Oct 2014, at 07:45, Tudor Girba wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> From the feedback so far, I could not the following issues: >> >> - menus for copy/paste/cut (which I still wonder why they need to exist for >> a developer, but we wi

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Tudor Girba
If I understand correctly, you would want a way to close panes. Correct? Doru On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > > On 04 Oct 2014, at 09:06, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > > > > > On 04 Oct 2014, at 07:45, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > >> Hi, > >> > >> From the feedback

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 04 Oct 2014, at 09:20, Tudor Girba wrote: > If I understand correctly, you would want a way to close panes. Correct? Yes, I want to be able to go from the right window back to the left window: Sven > Doru > > On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:07 AM, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > > > On 04 Oct 201

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread kilon alios
yes managing tabs is essential I think for everyone. This is why I also asked for window groups. Personally I dont care exactly how you implement these, the goal , like Sven said, its all about controlling the amount of information that is show and the amount that is hidden but yet it can be easi

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Tudor Girba
Ok. This is already on the roadmap, but opening an issue would not hurt :). Cheers, Doru On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:25 AM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 04 Oct 2014, at 09:20, Tudor Girba wrote: > > If I understand correctly, you would want a way to close panes. Correct? > > > Yes, I want

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 04 Oct 2014, at 09:36, Tudor Girba wrote: > Ok. This is already on the roadmap, but opening an issue would not hurt :). Bitte: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14156/Add-a-way-to-get-GTPlayground-and-GTInspector-back-in-their-original-state-using-1-column > Cheers, > Doru > > > On Sat,

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread kmo
I've raised two issues on the GT playground: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14158/Navigation-buttons-icons-at-bottom-of-GT-playground-are-meaningless-unintuitive https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14157/Navigation-buttons-at-bottom-of-GT-playground-are-almost-invisible-in-default-theme When I

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 9:32 AM, kilon alios wrote: > > yes managing tabs is essential I think for everyone. This is why I also > asked for window groups. > The issue that Sven raised is not about windows, but about the panes in the inspector. > Personally I dont care exactly how you imp

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 04 Oct 2014, at 11:55, kmo wrote: > I've raised two issues on the GT playground: > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14158/Navigation-buttons-icons-at-bottom-of-GT-playground-are-meaningless-unintuitive > > https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14157/Navigation-buttons-at-bottom-of-GT-playgro

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Camille Teruel
On 4 oct. 2014, at 12:44, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 04 Oct 2014, at 11:55, kmo wrote: > >> I've raised two issues on the GT playground: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14158/Navigation-buttons-icons-at-bottom-of-GT-playground-are-meaningless-unintuitive >> >> https://pharo

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread kmo
Well, one man's intuitive is another man's completely obscure. In the pharo context, the dots are a completely new navigation widget - used nowhere else - and their function is unclear. I think part of the problem is that the dots do not appear on any kind of obvious toolbar - they are more or less

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi, Thanks for the feedback. Of course, they are not used anywhere else at this point just because the inspector is the first tool that was integrated into Pharo :). You say they are meaningless, but in fact you seem to have no problem with what they are and how they work. And you found it out b

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 04 Oct 2014, at 22:56, Tudor Girba wrote: > BTW, Doru, why are the areas with 'self' dirty (orange corner) ? I would assume that as long as you did not type in them they are not dirty.

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread Tudor Girba
I really do not know that one :(. I hate the dirty thing altogether, but we did not manage to take it out properly. If anyone could help, it would be great. Doru On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:04 PM, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > > On 04 Oct 2014, at 22:56, Tudor Girba wrote: > > > > > BTW, Doru,

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-04 Thread p...@highoctane.be
I'd say that it is not intuitive at first but the abilities of the GT inspector are really making up for any inconvenience. As for the GT debugger, I've been running in a couple of problems, namely that stepping when restarting hasn't been working properly after a couple times. Also, I miss the "

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread Ben Coman
kmo wrote: I've raised two issues on the GT playground: https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14158/Navigation-buttons-icons-at-bottom-of-GT-playground-are-meaningless-unintuitive https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14157/Navigation-buttons-at-bottom-of-GT-playground-are-almost-invisible-in-default-t

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Indeed. But just having a good contrast solves the problem quite well, I believe, because it is gets more easily noticeable. Cheers, Doru On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Ben Coman wrote: > kmo wrote: > >> I've raised two issues on the GT playground: >> >> https://pharo.fogbugz.com/f/cases/14158

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread kmo
By video controls I meant /first, previous, next, last /buttons - but that's not a good idea now I think about it. I still think "page" numbers might be better than dots. But, as you say, I managed to use the dots so they can't be that bad, Still, I think the dots would look more obviously like na

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-05 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Phil, Sorry for the late reply. I cannot reproduce the stepping problem. Do you have a specific case? "Run to here" exists. It is a contextual action that depends on the cursor position. Hence, it is mapped in the context menu. Cheers, Doru On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 11:07 PM, p...@highoctane

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-06 Thread Christophe Demarey
Hello, Le 4 oct. 2014 à 11:51, Tudor Girba a écrit : > Pharo needs a centralised way to manage tabs and windows, its a system > heavily wait that is wrong solely based on GUIs. So this is not a GT > issue, its more a Pharo issue. > The problem with GT because is such a detailed tool i

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-06 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Christophe, We will start with adding the possibility of closing the last pane. It is unlikely that we will add closing of random panes in the inspector because the main purpose of those panes is to preserve the navigation path. For preserving inspectors on independent objects, we need another

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-06 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 06 Oct 2014, at 23:33, Tudor Girba wrote: > For preserving inspectors on independent objects, we need another solution. I > believe for this case, we could simply use a kind of a clipboard for objects > that can be inspected at a later time. Yes, I often use an ObjectClipboard global varia

Re: [Pharo-dev] gt issues

2014-10-07 Thread Christophe Demarey
Hi Doru, Le 6 oct. 2014 à 23:33, Tudor Girba a écrit : > Hi Christophe, > > We will start with adding the possibility of closing the last pane. It is > unlikely that we will add closing of random panes in the inspector because > the main purpose of those panes is to preserve the navigation pat