Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello enhancing

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks tobias This is cool to have that! With your experiment are loading MC definitions using fuel? Stef On Dec 2, 2011, at 4:54 PM, Tobias Pape wrote: Dear all, afte Fuel being available for both Squeak and Pharo, I experimented a little bit. So, I put a new snapshot.fuel beside the

Re: [Pharo-project] startup errors

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
We should enhance the recover last changes to be able to pick a different change file too. Stef On Dec 2, 2011, at 3:45 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: Igor Stasenko wrote look at settings, there's already an option to save a new version of image before quit. if you turn this option on,

Re: [Pharo-project] SubscriptOutOfBounds while Debugging

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Dec 2, 2011, at 6:21 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: In Pharo1.4a Latest update: #14238, I keep getting the error while stepping through code. Also, the tools (Browser, Implementors, etc.) take *forever* to appear. Is anyone else experiencing either? Yes this is fixed in later updates (at

Re: [Pharo-project] VM freezes sending #basicNew to Stream subclass

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks. I only had a look in Pharo 1.4 It sounds like a subtle bug related to introduction of SubclassResponsibility in Pharo. If you revert ObjectsubclassResponsibility to its previous version you get a more reliable error. What would be your hypothesis? Because I'm stuck. error: is

Re: [Pharo-project] VM freezes sending #basicNew to Stream subclass

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
We will have to track when this error was introduced may be this is the runtimeError fix that we pushed. We should check on images to spot this regression. Now printing the contents of a stream by default looks to me a bad idea. May be when the stream is positionable it makes sense but why would

Re: [Pharo-project] TestNewParagraphFix

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
No idea. Now tests are not curved in stone and we can remove them. On Dec 2, 2011, at 3:20 PM, Sean P. DeNigris wrote: NewParagraph is deprecated in 1.4. TestNewParagraphFix doesn't actually mention NewParagraph directly. The class comment says This class tests the same things as its

Re: [Pharo-project] VM freezes sending #basicNew to Stream subclass

2011-12-03 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Bill, On 03 Dec 2011, at 00:36, Schwab,Wilhelm K wrote: I was taught to never trap Exception - Error is ok to trap, AFAIK. Beyond that, where does this code live? How often/when does it execute? Exception handlers are expensive to set up and even more expensive when used. This is

Re: [Pharo-project] VM freezes sending #basicNew to Stream subclass

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Dec 2, 2011, at 10:07 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: 2011/12/2 Nicolas Cellier nicolas.cellier.aka.n...@gmail.com: 2011/12/2 Marcus Denker marcus.den...@inria.fr: Hi, We had a look and the problem is that printOn: on Stream is defined to print the contents of the Stream even though it

Re: [Pharo-project] VM freezes sending #basicNew to Stream subclass

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
The problem with SubclassResponsibility is its #description. The #description method will send #messageText which will send #standardMessageText which will try to print the signaller which is the unprintable (not initialized) Stream basicNew. Thus when the UnhandledError triggers a

[Pharo-project] Consortium memberships brainstorming and ideas

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
HI We would like to get your point of view about the following (we discussed with INRIA lawyer and others. Goal: Remember we want to be able to pay an engineer (cost 55K). Constraints: We do not want a special license for people participating to the consortium and the others. It

Re: [Pharo-project] GUI Testing Library

2011-12-03 Thread Tudor Girba
Hi Sean, I just wrote the first test case for Glamour using the BDDExtensions. This was for a bug that that was present in Glamour since several months, but I just did not know how to test. With the new facilities, it got as simple as: testExplicitAcceptDoesNotAffectTextPort ...

[Pharo-project] [update 1.4] #14243

2011-12-03 Thread Marcus Denker
14243 - Issue 5052: #subclassResponsibility should not print the object but the class name http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5052 Issue 5050: restart UIProcess in next postscript http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5050 Issue 5049: Remove

Re: [Pharo-project] A commercial question

2011-12-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi Germán, As others said, mac users will not be willing to accept pharo lookfeel except for rare situations (thats one of the reasons I started Mars in first instance...). Also, Mars is still far for being really usable (sadly), so I don't think you have a real native option right now. I'm

Re: [Pharo-project] A commercial question

2011-12-03 Thread Larry White
Esteban, What is Mars? On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Germán, As others said, mac users will not be willing to accept pharo lookfeel except for rare situations (thats one of the reasons I started Mars in first instance...). Also, Mars is

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello enhancing

2011-12-03 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Thanks tobias This is cool to have that! With your experiment are loading MC definitions using fuel? yes, loading and writing. Basically, for writing, for example, it is to change #writeSnapshot: or

Re: [Pharo-project] A commercial question

2011-12-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, http://smallworks.com.ar/products/mars/ (but it is sleeping the dream of the just, right now :) cheers, Esteban El 03/12/2011, a las 10:33a.m., Larry White escribió: Esteban, What is Mars? On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:07 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Germán,

Re: [Pharo-project] A commercial question

2011-12-03 Thread Larry White
Must. Have. It! On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Esteban Lorenzano esteba...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, http://smallworks.com.ar/products/mars/ (but it is sleeping the dream of the just, right now :) cheers, Esteban El 03/12/2011, a las 10:33a.m., Larry White escribió: Esteban, What is

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello enhancing

2011-12-03 Thread Tobias Pape
Am 2011-12-03 um 14:34 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Thanks tobias This is cool to have that! With your experiment are loading MC definitions using fuel? yes, loading and writing. Basically, for

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello enhancing

2011-12-03 Thread Mariano Martinez Peck
On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Tobias Pape das.li...@gmx.de wrote: Am 2011-12-03 um 14:34 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Thanks tobias This is cool to have that! With your experiment are loading

Re: [Pharo-project] Monticello enhancing

2011-12-03 Thread Tobias Pape
Am 2011-12-03 um 15:52 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 3:46 PM, Tobias Pape das.li...@gmx.de wrote: Am 2011-12-03 um 14:34 schrieb Mariano Martinez Peck: On Sat, Dec 3, 2011 at 12:23 AM, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: Thanks tobias

[Pharo-project] [COTDC] 89 - NullStream

2011-12-03 Thread sean
Continuing in Collections... Today: NullStream Comment Of The Day Contest - One Day One Comment Rules: #1: Each day a not commented class is elected. Each day the best comment will be integrated with name of the author(s). #2: If you cannot comment it, deprecate it. Results:

Re: [Pharo-project] GUI Testing Library

2011-12-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
Tudor Girba-2 wrote It's just cool. Excellent! The latest package in the repo adds right clicking, choosing from menus, and a bug fix for Morphs that use local coordinates. -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/GUI-Testing-Library-tp4097866p4153835.html Sent from the

Re: [Pharo-project] [Pharo-users] [COTDC] 89 - NullStream

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
I'm a stream doing nothing (NullObject pattern). I can be handy when a stream is needed and that we need to do nothing (for example a logging in off mode). Stef On Dec 3, 2011, at 11:29 AM, s...@clipperadams.com wrote: Continuing in Collections... Today: NullStream Comment Of The

Re: [Pharo-project] VM freezes sending #basicNew to Stream subclass

2011-12-03 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
Thanks I entered this description http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=5054 And I will start to see if I can identify what changed using dichotomy…. On Dec 2, 2011, at 7:37 PM, Nicolas Cellier wrote: Yes. With user interaction... In a workspace, type this and debug it:

Re: [Pharo-project] VM freezes sending #basicNew to Stream subclass

2011-12-03 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 3 December 2011 01:30, Stéphane Ducasse stephane.duca...@inria.fr wrote: We will have to track when this error was introduced may be this is the runtimeError fix that we pushed. We should check on images to spot this regression. Now printing the contents of a stream by default looks to me

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VMs should be more Pharo-like

2011-12-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, So, I took the bull by the horns and hacked a jenkins job to do a Pharo app. I also created a new squeaksource project (PharoVM) to keep the specific configurations for Pharo. Right now, I made it just for Macs, but if everything is ok, I'll add a job for Linux and when windows slave is

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VMs should be more Pharo-like

2011-12-03 Thread Stefan Marr
Hi Esteban: On 04 Dec 2011, at 00:19, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: Take a look: https://ci.lille.inria.fr/pharo/view/VM/job/Pharo-Mac-Cocoa/ Looks good. But I noticed two things: 1. there is still the SqueakOSXApp string all over the menu (CogVM [..] 32bits). 2. Is it possible to have a 'smart'

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VMs should be more Pharo-like

2011-12-03 Thread Esteban Lorenzano
Hi, El 03/12/2011, a las 9:38p.m., Stefan Marr escribió: 1. there is still the SqueakOSXApp string all over the menu (CogVM [..] 32bits). yeah... I will solve that soon :) 2. Is it possible to have a 'smart' version of the fullscreen feature, at least on Snow Leopard? Currently, it

Re: [Pharo-project] Pharo VMs should be more Pharo-like

2011-12-03 Thread Sean P. DeNigris
EstebanLM wrote 2. Is it possible to have a 'smart' version of the fullscreen feature, at least on Snow Leopard? Currently, it is blanking out my second screen. I read that VMware Fusion introduce such a 'smart' full screen functionality, that does not blank out the other screens. I