[Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20267

2012-08-23 Thread Marcus Denker
20267 - Issue 6591: TextInputFieldModel acceptOnCR: not working http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=6591 -- Marcus Denker -- http://marcusdenker.de

[Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Torsten Bergmann
1. In Pharo if you expand a keyword message like #replaceAll:with: the cursor is set already to the first argument (so one can continue typing) but to enter the second argument one has to move left using arrow keys "manually". How often you have to move left is dependent on the size of

Re: [Pharo-project] Hw do we organize the camp?

2012-08-23 Thread Rafael Luque
Hi all, I plan to attend Smalltalk camp sunday and perhaps also the saturday afternoon. I'm only an Smalltalk apprentice. In any case, I expect to be able to participate and help with some basic topics. Looking forward to attending the ESUG week. Rafael Luque 2012/8/22 Stéphane Ducasse > Hi p

Re: [Pharo-project] Hw do we organize the camp?

2012-08-23 Thread p...@highoctane.be
I'll be in for Sunday, possibly a bit of saturday as well. It would be nice to be able to do some podcast interviews and videos of practioners to up the social proof side of Pharo a bit. Can bring the cam and the editing system along. Philippe 2012/8/23 Rafael Luque > Hi all, > > I plan to att

[Pharo-project] ObjectAsMethodWrapper >> #uninstall breaks class organisation

2012-08-23 Thread Frank Shearar
ObjectAsMethodWrapper's test suite breaks ObjectAsMethodWrapperDummy's organization - its #foo and #bar methods disappear even though the method dictionary still has them. As a result, after you've run OAMW's tests, you can't do anything with the OAMW PackageInfo - you can't check to see what chang

Re: [Pharo-project] ObjectAsMethodWrapper >> #uninstall breaks class organisation

2012-08-23 Thread Frank Shearar
On 23 August 2012 10:24, Frank Shearar wrote: > ObjectAsMethodWrapper's test suite breaks ObjectAsMethodWrapperDummy's > organization - its #foo and #bar methods disappear even though the > method dictionary still has them. As a result, after you've run OAMW's > tests, you can't do anything with t

Re: [Pharo-project] poll reminder

2012-08-23 Thread Geert Claes
Whats the feedback so far? -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/poll-reminder-tp4645002p4645073.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [Pharo-project] Hw do we organize the camp?

2012-08-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:31 AM, p...@highoctane.be wrote: > I'll be in for Sunday, possibly a bit of saturday as well. > > It would be nice to be able to do some podcast interviews and videos of > practioners to up the social proof side of Pharo a bit. Can bring the cam and > the editing system a

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse
On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:20 AM, Torsten Bergmann wrote: > 1. In Pharo if you expand a keyword message like #replaceAll:with: > the cursor is set already to the first argument (so one can continue > typing) but to enter the second argument one has to move left using > arrow keys "manually". >

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2012-08-22, at 20:22, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > Is it just me who finds the new text completion resulting from O/E merge > insufferably disruptive? > Whenever I've been editing in an existing method, and try moving back/forward > using arrow keys, instead of moving the cursor, it ope

[Pharo-project] Pharo 2.0 #20267

2012-08-23 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Hi Guys, I like to report postive things from time to time, mailing lists shouldn't be about bugs and problems only. I just took a fresh 2.0 image (#20267) and just for fun tried running all tests on my machine, something that didn't work very well in the past. I am happy to report that the _a

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Tudor Girba
I think an option would only add to the confusion. Please replace the option with one decision. If some do not like it, they can shout and the designer can take the input into account. But, it's the designer that decides. Cheers, Doru On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM, Camillo Bruni wrote: > > On

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 23.08.2012 13:00, Camillo Bruni wrote: On 2012-08-22, at 20:22, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: Is it just me who finds the new text completion resulting from O/E merge insufferably disruptive? Whenever I've been editing in an existing method, and try moving back/forward using arrow keys,

Re: [Pharo-project] [update 2.0] #20257

2012-08-23 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
On 17 Aug 2012, at 17:55, Esteban Lorenzano wrote: > Issue 3459: includesSubstring: aString caseSensitive: caseSensitive / > includesSubString: > http://code.google.com/p/pharo/issues/detail?id=3459 (I commented on the issue, but the mail did not come through). I know that we have bee

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 23.08.2012 14:41, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: You mean someone might LIKE - keep getting suggested something they just typed? - that the window doesn't close when they've clearly change context by moving the cursor? - that the window doesn't respond to mouse input to it by selecting what y

Re: [Pharo-project] [squeak-dev] ObjectAsMethodWrapper >> #uninstall breaks class organisation

2012-08-23 Thread Frank Shearar
On 23 August 2012 12:49, Bert Freudenberg wrote: > On 2012-08-23, at 11:24, Frank Shearar wrote: > >> It looks like PackageInfo possibly isn't catching the AddEvent sent by >> ClassDescription >> #addSelector:withMethod:notifying: but I'm just >> guessing: I don't know enough about this part of th

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Camillo Bruni
no options, this what options are for. you can decide on a default. and then change the options. we live in a multidimensional world. it's the same thing with using ENTER instead of TAB to accept completions. I and Igor for instance strongly prefer ENTER, whereas other people like you don't like

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2012-08-23, at 15:05, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: > On 23.08.2012 14:41, Henrik Sperre Johansen wrote: >> You mean someone might LIKE >> - keep getting suggested something they just typed? >> - that the window doesn't close when they've clearly change context by >> moving the cursor? >> -

[Pharo-project] this is a test

2012-08-23 Thread Stéphane Ducasse

[Pharo-project] Zinc-HTTP-Deprecated

2012-08-23 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
There is a class category called 'Zinc-HTTP-Deprecated'. It contains some old classes that were replaced/superceded by newer ones almost a year ago. I plan to actually delete these and their unit tests in a commit in the next couple of days. Specifically, the following classes will be removed:

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Henrik Sperre Johansen
On 23.08.2012 15:40, Camillo Bruni wrote: no options, this what options are for. you can decide on a default. and then change the options. we live in a multidimensional world. it's the same thing with using ENTER instead of TAB to accept completions. I and Igor for instance strongly prefer ENTER

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Tudor Girba
I definitely do not adhere to this point of view, but I think I understand it well. Let's think of code design now. When you see non-object-oriented design, you go and refine. When you see conceptual duplication, you go for it and unify. Until you get a better abstraction that matches the paradigm

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Camillo Bruni
So you're saying modifiable keyboard shortcuts are a bad design? On 2012-08-23, at 16:04, Tudor Girba wrote: > I definitely do not adhere to this point of view, but I think I > understand it well. > > Let's think of code design now. When you see non-object-oriented > design, you go and refine.

Re: [Pharo-project] why do we have methods with trailer EmbeddedSourceZip ?

2012-08-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
no idea :/ you can just resave them to go back to normal On 23 August 2012 16:15, Mariano Martinez Peck wrote: > In Pharo 2.0 > > (CompiledMethod allInstances select: [:each | each trailer kind = > #EmbeddedSourceZip ]) size -> 15 > > (CompiledMethod allInstances select: [:each | each trailer ki

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Doru wrote >I think an option would only add to the confusion. Please replace the >option with one decision. If some do not like it, they can shout and >the designer can take the input into account. But, it's the designer >that decides. +1 Stephan

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Stephan Eggermont
Camillo wrote: >So you're saying modifiable keyboard shortcuts are a bad design? Yes. That is to say, using them outside of developing a good set of key bindings (possibly for each language/keyboard). We need them to get to this consistent set. Options could be on the level of vi/wordstar/emacs s

[Pharo-project] [In Progress] WebSocket support being added to Zinc HTTP Components

2012-08-23 Thread Sven Van Caekenberghe
Yes, the rumors are true: WebSocket support is coming to Zinc HTTP Components and thus to Pharo Smalltalk ! Several people asked for it, but Andy Burnett of Knowinnovation USA provided a financial incentive (thanks a lot Andy for sponsoring open-source Smalltalk software like that), so I am now

Re: [Pharo-project] [In Progress] WebSocket support being added to Zinc HTTP Components

2012-08-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 23 August 2012 21:27, Sven Van Caekenberghe wrote: > Yes, the rumors are true: WebSocket support is coming to Zinc HTTP Components > and thus to Pharo Smalltalk ! > > Several people asked for it, but Andy Burnett of Knowinnovation USA provided > a financial incentive (thanks a lot Andy for sp

Re: [Pharo-project] [In Progress] WebSocket support being added to Zinc HTTP Components

2012-08-23 Thread Esteban A. Maringolo
Excellent news Sven! -- View this message in context: http://forum.world.st/In-Progress-WebSocket-support-being-added-to-Zinc-HTTP-Components-tp4645109p4645111.html Sent from the Pharo Smalltalk mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

[Pharo-project] Friday in Ghent

2012-08-23 Thread DeNigris Sean
I'm arriving on Friday morning (about 9am)... anyone else around? Sean

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Camillo Bruni
On 2012-08-23, at 19:50, Stephan Eggermont wrote: > Camillo wrote: >> So you're saying modifiable keyboard shortcuts are a bad design? > > Yes. > > That is to say, using them outside of developing a good set of > key bindings (possibly for each language/keyboard). We need them > to get to this

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
(a bit orthogonal) i don't understand why we cannot have own, consistent set which is good for us? vim, emacs.. why this is so important ? Those editors were not written for editing smalltalk code in mind.. they are best suited for big, hundreds lines of code, files.. while something like that in o

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Eliot Miranda
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > (a bit orthogonal) > i don't understand why we cannot have own, consistent set which is good > for us? > vim, emacs.. better use sets which are already extremely familiar than invent yet another set. to those of us who use these editors (

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 24 August 2012 01:19, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> (a bit orthogonal) >> i don't understand why we cannot have own, consistent set which is good >> for us? >> vim, emacs.. > > > better use sets which are already extremely familiar than

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Fernando Olivero
Igor, as usual your true object-oriented thinking helps us see a better path... We need a customized UI interaction for Smalltalk, instead of asking for TEXT editors devised for a different setup. What's missing is a Smalltalk method shape(morph, etc...), highly customized for editing/navigating s

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread David T. Lewis
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 01:40:54AM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: > On 24 August 2012 01:19, Eliot Miranda wrote: > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: > >> > >> (a bit orthogonal) > >> i don't understand why we cannot have own, consistent set which is good > >> for us? >

Re: [Pharo-project] New Text Completion suggestions

2012-08-23 Thread Igor Stasenko
On 24 August 2012 02:25, David T. Lewis wrote: > On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 01:40:54AM +0200, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> On 24 August 2012 01:19, Eliot Miranda wrote: >> > >> > >> > On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Igor Stasenko wrote: >> >> >> >> (a bit orthogonal) >> >> i don't understand why we can